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Well done.  We've just finished painting the van itself with Brightside, and the pop-top and luggage rack will follow once we've got the van kitted out again (currently completely stripped inside).
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JimmyJagged
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Ok, West Marine had my chosen paint color in stock so I picked up 2 qts. I also need to seal a few Hayward fiberglass DE filter units that are shedding "hair" so I will practice on them first and confirm the color choice.
Here is a shot of the unfaded original top color......
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Thanks Dave, and everybody else who contributed instructions to this thread over the years. Six years after your post, it is still helping fellow members. I bought the Interlux Bristol Beige without having to spend anytime researching or comparing colors. It saved me a lot of time.
My original top got destroyed when a tree fell on it. I picked up a top that had been sitting in a guys yard for 15 years. I repainted it following the instructions from this post and everything turned out great!
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rlamb
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:38 pm Post subject: Re: Quick pop top painting questions |
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| Been too busy at work. Have gotten back to it. |
Oh, I know how that goes. I'll post pics when mine is done.
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rlamb
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: Quick pop top painting questions |
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Well, I wish I had read that vanagonauts write up before ordering the paint! I'm about a quart into the priming process (with 404 epoxy primer) and I will tell you I need at least two more quarts. My fiberglass is drinking that stuff up. I'd say his 2.5 quarts of primer and 2 quarts of paint is probably going to be correct.
I only estimated a quart of epoxy primer and a quart of the paint. Definitely waaaaaay off.
EDIT: first quart (two coats) dried nicer than I thought it would. Probably one more coat will be enough. I think I COULD probably get by with just the quart. It's got like 95% coverage now, just a couple of areas that could use a scosche more paint, like around the vent skylight.
It lays down pretty well. It doesnt seem like it when you are painting sometimes.
The guy in the article talks about having stray fiberglass fibers. Sounds like his top was really sundamaged. Mine isn't quite that bad perhaps. I sanded once where a roller disintegrated on me. That seems to be all I will NEED to sand but I guess I will anyway because the instructions say to do so.
Next comes the Interlux Perfection, a two part version of Interlux Brightside. Am I the first to use this? |
I'm in the middle of a full poptop restoration now. I used Interlux Pre-Kote primer. Fiberglass hairs were gone after 2nd coat. I put a third and final coat of primer on and am about to put on Interlux Brightside Hatteras off-white. Three coats of primer and I used about 1 1\3 quarts. Sanding is a workout between primer coats!
How'd yours turn out with that other Interlux Perfection paint?
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nemobuscaptain
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: Quick pop top painting questions |
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Well, I wish I had read that vanagonauts write up before ordering the paint! I'm about a quart into the priming process (with 404 epoxy primer) and I will tell you I need at least two more quarts. My fiberglass is drinking that stuff up. I'd say his 2.5 quarts of primer and 2 quarts of paint is probably going to be correct.
I only estimated a quart of epoxy primer and a quart of the paint. Definitely waaaaaay off.
EDIT: first quart (two coats) dried nicer than I thought it would. Probably one more coat will be enough. I think I COULD probably get by with just the quart. It's got like 95% coverage now, just a couple of areas that could use a scosche more paint, like around the vent skylight.
It lays down pretty well. It doesnt seem like it when you are painting sometimes.
The guy in the article talks about having stray fiberglass fibers. Sounds like his top was really sundamaged. Mine isn't quite that bad perhaps. I sanded once where a roller disintegrated on me. That seems to be all I will NEED to sand but I guess I will anyway because the instructions say to do so.
Next comes the Interlux Perfection, a two part version of Interlux Brightside. Am I the first to use this?
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Awesome writeup on the paint job, as I am doing this project now and debating what my plan of attack is.
I wonder how the top would take to just sanding off the current state. Mine is sun weathered like crazy and I feel like sanding first would be smart. Thoughts?
I am also installing a new canvas, which I see you are doing here. This is going to be a challenging project, but I am excited for the difference!
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| Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 11:46 am Post subject: Re: Quick pop top painting questions |
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I am about to do this job, and since this seems to be THE definitive pop-top repaint thread, I will leave my two findings here:
- YouTube has a good video on the "roll and tip" technique: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ_T84GU_as
- Amazon.com has Interlux paint and primer at a really good price
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casey79westfalia
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| Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 6:52 pm Post subject: Re: Quick pop top painting questions |
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I just did this today  .I base/cleared mine as well, mainly for color match and it cleans nicely. I chose to not use any matting agent to dull out the clear. Rolling is certainly cheaper and will do the job. I have done both and both will do just fine.
Here was my process I posted in my restoration thread today for anyone interested.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=418933&start=80
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Mixing is free with whatever color you choose.
However, as in any automotive paint, it's going to be 4-5 times the cost of the marine paint, plus the cost of the equipment.
Rolling & brushing is a lot cheaper.
It may come down to a two tone Van, your right.
Just go to the internet provided web pages for each brand.
The Awlgrip has the best color chip selection.
More color choices.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: Quick pop top painting questions |
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Thanks Terry. I think mixing and spraying may become cost prohibitive with the other brand you mentioned. I spoke with the three brands today and have paint chips in the mail. I'm hoping to at least get close enough that it looks good. If not, we may consider doing a completely different color top.
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Terry Kay
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An exact match from the 3 sources of paint supplier's you mentioned is going to be difficult--
Maybe close , but not exact.
The only way you'll get an exact match would be with Imron , from an automotive paint dealer who can mix with mfg. paint codes.
Then you'll have to be spraying the paint on the top, no rolling & brushing.
Iron sets up way too quick to apply it that way.
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Hi,
Reviving this thread to ask a specific paint color question. I've read several threads regarding painting the Westfalia top and I'm leaning towards rolling on a marine paint as discussed throughout this thread. Our van is Titan Red so I'm wondering out of the three main brands mentioned in this thread (Interlux, Petit, and AwlGrip) has anyone gone this route and found a good match to Titan Red? I'm going to request paint samples but thought I'd ask as well.
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I just completed this project, and this thread was great. I do wish I'd used a closed cell foam roller, as I am now dealing with lots of strands stuck in the paint. Mostly it looks great though.
Someone said that the paint actually takes months to cure, but its ok to put the top back on the van pretty soon after painting. My paint still seems soft, although its been 36 hours now.
Assuming I don't drop it or anything stupid, is it dry enough now to put the top back on without messing up the paint with normal handling?
Recommendations for decals and rain gutter clamps?
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Alright! The project is coming along great! At least I think it is. About 16+ hours of sanding to get the original paint off the top.
I just finished laying up (most) of the primer. I like the texture the closed cell roller leaves when using the the Interlux 333 brush thiner. But I have one question:
Should I sand the Interlux Pre-Kote (primer) before starting the first layer of Interlux Brightside paint? And then sand between layers of Brightside?
I do not think I am going to roll and tip. I am just going to roll so that I get that orange peel texture that comes originally (the roller was doing a great job of leaving that look with the primer, hoping the paint lays down similarly).
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(And no I do not know that paint brand so cannot help ...) 