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planenut Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2012 Posts: 334 Location: Georgia
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:40 pm Post subject: clutch |
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WOW! Almost sounds like a go kart centrifugal clutch. |
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glutamodo The Android
Joined: July 13, 2004 Posts: 26297 Location: Douglas, WY
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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No almost about it, it's just a roller centrifugal clutch. |
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VW_RaF Samba Member
Joined: August 28, 2008 Posts: 36 Location: Poland
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herbie1200 Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2006 Posts: 832 Location: Rome - Italy
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:04 am Post subject: Re: SAXOMAT Automatic Clutch 1961-1967 - NOT Autostick Shift |
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Very interesting thread.
I have a question about Saxomat: when engine is idling or off there is no way to engage the clutch, right?
So how can I block the car when parking on a hill? Only with handbrake?
Recent automatic transmissions have a "Park" position that blocks the drivetrain. |
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classiccult Samba Member
Joined: March 23, 2006 Posts: 49 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:02 am Post subject: Re: SAXOMAT Automatic Clutch 1961-1967 - NOT Autostick Shift |
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Yes you can park only with handbrake. Without handbrake the Saxomat Beetle will move.
Next problem: When your battery is empty, pushing will not help to get it running.
I have driven over 100000 Kilometer with Saxomat Beetle... _________________ classiccult.com |
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herbie1200 Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2006 Posts: 832 Location: Rome - Italy
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:32 pm Post subject: Re: SAXOMAT Automatic Clutch 1961-1967 - NOT Autostick Shift |
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Thank you.
Just for curiosity, I hope to have in the future a possibility to drive a saxomat, I'm very curious about it. |
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vwfreek61 Samba Member
Joined: May 31, 2004 Posts: 351 Location: Green Bay, WI
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:17 pm Post subject: Re: SAXOMAT Automatic Clutch 1961-1967 - NOT Autostick Shift |
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I installed a Saxomat on my 1964 40hp and drove it around quite a bit last summer. My question, does the Saxomat use a different distributor than the manual clutch? Right now I'm using the stock 28 PICT-1 (with the extra vacuum port drilled out) and the original small cap distributor (Feb '64). I plan on installing big bore 83mm pistons and possibly bumping up to a 30 PICT-1, would this change the distributor requirements?
_________________ Kenneth
1964 Bug with Saxomat
1976 VW/Harley Trike Autostick
1987 Vanagon Westy w/Subaru EJ25 and reversed 4EAT |
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glutamodo The Android
Joined: July 13, 2004 Posts: 26297 Location: Douglas, WY
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:08 am Post subject: Re: SAXOMAT Automatic Clutch 1961-1967 - NOT Autostick Shift |
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I've never seen anything regarding a special distributor for the Saxomat. Now, later when it morphed into the Autostick, you had a torque converter which was a torque mulitplier at lower engine speeds so VW did use a different carb/distributor combination to match that. However, the Saxomat is just a roller clutch at the heart and the engine/transaxle perform pretty much the same as a normal stick shift, so no real need for anything different. _________________ Andy T.
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9663 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:36 am Post subject: Re: SAXOMAT Automatic Clutch 1961-1967 - NOT Autostick Shift |
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I have a Saxomat installation guide that I have tried to scan for the technical section. Unfortunately the size of the manual doesn't scan well on our work scanner.
When I get to work Monday morning. I'll have a look in the manual and see if they recommend the use of a special distributor. I don't recall reading that one is required.
Hang tight. I'll let you know. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
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vwfreek61 Samba Member
Joined: May 31, 2004 Posts: 351 Location: Green Bay, WI
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:32 am Post subject: Re: SAXOMAT Automatic Clutch 1961-1967 - NOT Autostick Shift |
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Everything I found on the switch from the big cap to small cap distributor didn't mention anything about Saxomat, so I figured they might be the same. I was only curious because the vacuum tank needs to be filled (emptied?) between shifts and didn't know if that would change the vacuum signal. Not completely, but a small amount. I'm using an autostick tank, and with the engine off it's good for about 4-5 shifts before it's empty. _________________ Kenneth
1964 Bug with Saxomat
1976 VW/Harley Trike Autostick
1987 Vanagon Westy w/Subaru EJ25 and reversed 4EAT |
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herbie1200 Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2006 Posts: 832 Location: Rome - Italy
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:29 am Post subject: Re: SAXOMAT Automatic Clutch 1961-1967 - NOT Autostick Shift |
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The saxomat valve is connected to the manifold (big hose) and, for control, to a port in the carburetor connected itself to a small hole near butterfly valve.
The distributor line has other connection: a small hole near the butterfly (not the same before) and another hole above the venturi.
So there is no connection between the two subsystems. |
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bally Samba Member
Joined: April 29, 2006 Posts: 1182 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:34 am Post subject: Re: SAXOMAT Automatic Clutch 1961-1967 - NOT Autostick Shift |
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67rustavenger wrote: |
I have a Saxomat installation guide that I have tried to scan for the technical section. Unfortunately the size of the manual doesn't scan well on our work scanner.
When I get to work Monday morning. I'll have a look in the manual and see if they recommend the use of a special distributor. I don't recall reading that one is required.
Hang tight. I'll let you know. |
Is your Saxomat installation guide part of the Bentley manual or something separate? I'd be very interested so see a copy please if it is different - I have the Bentley manual (1961-1965)
Cheers,
Dave |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9663 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:26 am Post subject: Re: SAXOMAT Automatic Clutch 1961-1967 - NOT Autostick Shift |
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Send me a PM with a valid email address and I'll forward you a copy of the manual.
Regards _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
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1962saxomat Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2020 Posts: 2 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:14 am Post subject: Re: SAXOMAT Automatic Clutch 1961-1967 - NOT Autostick Shift |
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Hi there,
I was reading this thread and found out that there a more enthousiast about the saxomat clutch system. Many years ago I also posted some info, but for many years I was inactive on internet about this theme.
I own a ‘62 beetle with saxomat clutch in the Netherlands for many years now. It’s still running and use it only for driving around on sunny days.
Just wondering if there are any saxomat beetles surviving with this saxomat clutch......
And who has found new spare parts adresses? |
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bally Samba Member
Joined: April 29, 2006 Posts: 1182 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: SAXOMAT Automatic Clutch 1961-1967 - NOT Autostick Shift |
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1962saxomat wrote: |
Hi there,
I was reading this thread and found out that there a more enthousiast about the saxomat clutch system. Many years ago I also posted some info, but for many years I was inactive on internet about this theme.
I own a ‘62 beetle with saxomat clutch in the Netherlands for many years now. It’s still running and use it only for driving around on sunny days.
Just wondering if there are any saxomat beetles surviving with this saxomat clutch......
And who has found new spare parts adresses? |
Saxomat equipped cars are rather rare. I know of one in the UK, one in Europe (a heb which has been sold - I'm not sure where it is now) and one in the US - I will be installing one in my vehicle here in Australia. Parts are hard to come by so people tend to hoard them. I had my clutch refurbished int he UK by spraying new phospher bronze on the wear plates. Posting a wanted ad may find you some parts.
Good luck!
Dave |
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1962saxomat Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2020 Posts: 2 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:25 am Post subject: Re: SAXOMAT Automatic Clutch 1961-1967 - NOT Autostick Shift |
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Hi,
Nice to hear that you are in the process installing a saxomat.
In which car (beetle I suppose) / model year a you doing that?
I found there is a small difference in modelyear and how some saxomat parts are situated in the car (different vacuum tank).
Also saw on internet a saxomat car in Sweden, but that is already some time ago. Very rare option indeed. |
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Corkever61sax Samba Member
Joined: March 20, 2020 Posts: 2 Location: Nederland
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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: SAXOMAT Automatic Clutch 1961-1967 - NOT Autostick Shift |
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1962saxomat wrote: |
Hi,
Nice to hear that you are in the process installing a saxomat.
In which car (beetle I suppose) / model year a you doing that?
I found there is a small difference in modelyear and how some saxomat parts are situated in the car (different vacuum tank).
Also saw on internet a saxomat car in Sweden, but that is already some time ago. Very rare option indeed. |
Hello
I think i buy the bug saxomat.
The vw kever 61 original sweden. Import to nederland and then to belgie.
2 weeks ago i'am the new owner of the saxomat back in nederland.
It's a white bug saxomat 1961.
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bally Samba Member
Joined: April 29, 2006 Posts: 1182 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: SAXOMAT Automatic Clutch 1961-1967 - NOT Autostick Shift |
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Nice! |
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Chickensoup Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5368 Location: Good Hope, GA
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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: SAXOMAT Automatic Clutch 1961-1967 - NOT Autostick Shift |
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KTPhil wrote: |
Sorry, this is off-topic, but after decades of seeing stickshift (and even automatic) VWs, this photo just makes me laugh! |
it looks so incomplete and unmature yet at the same time innocent lol i almost feel bad for the poor little cluster |
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FBIVW Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2002 Posts: 221 Location: Gower, South Wales. UK
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2023 11:57 am Post subject: Re: SAXOMAT Automatic Clutch 1961-1967 - NOT Autostick Shift |
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How can I find information about the saxomat register?
I have a 61 |
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