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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have been through four different muffler systems.
The Thingster came with a header and a bug pack, I replaced that with dual bugpack mufflers packed up on either side. I then got a pair of genuine 73 Thing mufflers at Kelley Park and they were great. I then went to the 2054 stroker and used and Empi glasspack, It was so noisy I went back to the dual bugpack either side, I am really happy with this but it makes valve adjustment tedious, I now want the valve adjusters that have allen sockets for adjustment.

The Empi system has easy access, and great ground clearance, but is just a bit noisy for me.
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I have a similar set-up on my 2016 (single 44 Weber IDF) and it's starting to rust badly, plus I hate doing valve adjustments. So I was thinking about the Empi system. Do you think it will choke the motor? Are there other exhausts that are recommended?
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep an eye on that upper oil line
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been through four different muffler systems.
The Thingster came with a header and a bug pack, I replaced that with dual bugpack mufflers packed up on either side. I then got a pair of genuine 73 Thing mufflers at Kelley Park and they were great. I then went to the 2054 stroker and used and Empi glasspack, It was so noisy I went back to the dual bugpack either side, I am really happy with this but it makes valve adjustment tedious, I now want the valve adjusters that have allen sockets for adjustment.

The Empi system has easy access, and great ground clearance, but is just a bit noisy for me.
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got the ceramic coated empi exhaust to replace a bug pea-shooter exhaust the prior owner put on the car. Installation was straightforward and everything fit up perfectly on my 73. Only glitch was the once I saw how nice the ceramic looked, I HAD to spring for ceramic J tubes, another $50, instead of leaving the original mild steel J's in there. It looks pretty nice on the car as well. I haven't had it on very long, so I can't speak for longevity.

The Empi exhaust is significantly louder than the pea-shooter bug exhaust. It's not cherry-bomb loud, but it's a louder "rumble". I wouldn't call it "throaty".

When I replace the exhaust on my 74, I will probably look for another option, as I find the noise produced by the exhaust system too loud for my taste. Younger owners coming from hopped up Hondas and Acuras would probably disagree with me, but I'm a crotchy old guy who has enough difficulty hearing that a loud exhaust doesn't help.

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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A question:

In the posts above, the word "throaty" is used to speak of the Empi's exhaust sound. Throaty-schmoaty. The dammed thing is LOUD and I don't like it. Barring going back to the stock exhaust system, is there anything that can be done to tone the Empi system down? I was wondering about stuffing stock exhaust tips in the two outlets. Thoughts?

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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 6:24 am    Post subject: Re: Empi Thing Exhaust Reply with quote

vgajames wrote:
Anybody run one of these Empi exhaust? Wondering if it sounds good and would be good on a motor with like 1776 dual carbs.
Or other suggestions for less restrictive thing exhaust.
Will be for a 74 with heater box's...
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I have had a couple of EMPI exhausts and in my opinion their products are garbage. You are looking at a year at best of normal use before the exhaust begins to fail - rust out, split seams, etc.

In the long run a good quality system will be cheaper and you won't have the aggravation of a re-install. There is a reason why the Empi product is much less expensive.
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would suggest mounting the coil the other way. it's it's oil filled the terminals should be at the bottom.


I'd like to know the reasoning for this? What's the purpose of the oil? Just curious!
I trust your knowledge, so I'll flip it around, thanks for your tip!


Oh, and Thank you VGAJAMES! It's a few months of working on it, when I could. It's sitting quietly under a sheet in the corner, waiting to be reunited with the rest of Our Thing!


Every AC VW I ever had the coil was mounted with the terminals at the bottom.
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am too looking at TRi-Mil ceramic coated. Is it possible to polish ceramic coated exhaust systems to a glossy lustre without taking the coating off?
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenn wrote:

I would suggest mounting the coil the other way. it's it's oil filled the terminals should be at the bottom.


Usually if it is oil filled the terminals should be at the top. According to the MSD webpage, the oil filled blaster Blaster 2 :

"Do not mount this coil horizontally or upside down. The oil will not sufficiently cover the windings for cooling purposes and the coil may overheat."

Epoxy filled coils like the stock one and "good" blue coils can be upside down or whichever other way.
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got some paint stripper from Home Depot that literally took the paint off as I brushed it on my TriMil Thing exhaust. I used VHT exhaust paint, which stays on. I really like this system.
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenn wrote:

I would suggest mounting the coil the other way. it's it's oil filled the terminals should be at the bottom.


I'd like to know the reasoning for this? What's the purpose of the oil? Just curious!
I trust your knowledge, so I'll flip it around, thanks for your tip!


Oh, and Thank you VGAJAMES! It's a few months of working on it, when I could. It's sitting quietly under a sheet in the corner, waiting to be reunited with the rest of Our Thing!
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would suggest mounting the coil the other way. it's it's oil filled the terminals should be at the bottom.
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I recently purchased the Empi version(on a budget too), and I went for the Ceramic coating. I have reservations on Empis quality of ceramic, but I figure it'll last long enough to make it worth the extra cost($60 additional). I can always get it recoated locally if it begins to wear/fail. I had my Heat boxes ceramic coated locally, in a cast grey tone.
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Fit is good on the Empi system, and the ceramic finish seems applied decently. I haven't installed it yet, as the body is in for metal work/paint, but i'll have it in and going in about 2 wks.
Hope this helps!

Nice looking motor....exhaust looks good on it. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i got the trimil version. yeah, throaty. i got the painted version. paint was gone first day. im gonna sand it and season it with peanut oil also. i like that it is compact and fits the bumper holes.
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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My next exhaust is going to arrive bare metal, I will season it with peanut oil.

I considered the the empi exhaust, but settled on the CB hideaway. I wasn't thrilled about the poor scavenging with the empi system, but I dont think ti would have been an issue Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recently purchased the Empi version(on a budget too), and I went for the Ceramic coating. I have reservations on Empis quality of ceramic, but I figure it'll last long enough to make it worth the extra cost($60 additional). I can always get it recoated locally if it begins to wear/fail. I had my Heat boxes ceramic coated locally, in a cast grey tone.
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Fit is good on the Empi system, and the ceramic finish seems applied decently. I haven't installed it yet, as the body is in for metal work/paint, but i'll have it in and going in about 2 wks.
Hope this helps!
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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought a used EMPI ceramic version. It fit quite well. I haven't had a chance to start it yet, so I don't know about the sound. The coating is starting to show a few thin spots of the bottom side, but for the price I think it's great - if you're on a budget like me Smile

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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have the Empi version. Sounds really throaty, even on my 1600 single port. The paint is crap though, for real.

So the ceramic version would probably be a go?
Seems like for thing performance exhaust its these are $400 or more
for others on market...


Personally, I wouldn't waste the money on the ceramic, nor would I trust Empi to do the coating any justice. Just order the black one and strip/paint it before install. Than you know it's gonna last.
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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have the Empi version. Sounds really throaty, even on my 1600 single port. The paint is crap though, for real.

So the ceramic version would probably be a go?
Seems like for thing performance exhaust its these are $400 or more
for others on market...
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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the Empi version. Sounds really throaty, even on my 1600 single port. The paint is crap though, for real.
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