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teamasr Samba Member
Joined: August 04, 2009 Posts: 159 Location: SF Bay Area
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 10:53 am Post subject: Soda Blasting 23 window $1900? |
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I know the 23 window bus has lots of nooks and crannys, but is $1900 reasonable to soda blast a bus inside and out?
How much have you guys paid? |
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The Phil Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2011 Posts: 1371 Location: Tucson
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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I hope im not wasting your time here, but in consideration to how much work it is to sand blast, that seems correct. you might be able to talk him down a bit.
take into consideration this will probably be done outside or an extremely large room. so, its labor, some areas of paint take longer to clean, and how difficult it is to get to certain areas. plus how much material soda the guy will be going through.
I hope this isn't a turn off, im speaking from my own experience doing my own sandblasting in my race car restoration shop. _________________ "In case I don't see you, good afternoon , good evening, and goodnight."
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craigman Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2004 Posts: 2397 Location: redding
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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Seems a little high. I agree, try to talk him down a few hundred. |
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The Phil Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2011 Posts: 1371 Location: Tucson
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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You know, come to think about it, i seem to recall that my friend got his 57 GMC touring bus sandblasted for a lil less then that. _________________ "In case I don't see you, good afternoon , good evening, and goodnight."
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teamasr Samba Member
Joined: August 04, 2009 Posts: 159 Location: SF Bay Area
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 12:29 am Post subject: |
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Well here is the thing, the shop that is doing the rebuild sourced this out and I want to be sure I am keepin honest with him. I can ask for a receipt, but then again, if he knows the shop, he can just ask the guy to make it out for whatever. I hate to have to pay a markup for things like this. |
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spook Samba Member
Joined: December 30, 2003 Posts: 2038 Location: in the shop 35750
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 3:15 am Post subject: |
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that is high, if I go a # like that..... there better be a damn good reason
that is almost 2 times what it should be _________________ www.airkooledkustoms.com
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schell '59 Samba Member
Joined: January 05, 2006 Posts: 1405 Location: RI
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 9:31 am Post subject: |
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^^agreed...and soda doesn't remove heavy rust and pits if you have any. _________________ WWW.401RESTOS.COM
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Foxx Uncle Meat
Joined: August 27, 2001 Posts: 4897 Location: at the computer,.......DUH!
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 9:32 am Post subject: |
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price charged is relative to location.
what might be $500 on the east coast might be $1000 on the west coast.
it's your ride, you have to live with any results of whatcha pay.
buy a compressor and do it yourself, then you will see how labor intensive it is.
ask around a few other places for an estimate _________________ Frank
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VWLooseNuts Samba Member
Joined: August 09, 2007 Posts: 668 Location: PNW.
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Jerry Samba Member
Joined: October 28, 2007 Posts: 1367
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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There was a soda blasting company handing out business cards at the last VW show I attended. The fellow had some samples (hoods) that had been done by his company. He claimed that the hoods he had on display had been out in the rain for at least 6 months & the surfaces were rust-free. Is there any truth to that? If so, wouldn't it be great to roll your project out in the weather from time to time & not even have to worry about it getting rained on? FWIW, there were a couple of really dark places on the hoods as well, I asked the guy what the discoloration was from & he told me that was surface rust. Evidently the soda had darkened the rust sorta like Ospho does. He went on to tell me that he charges 100 bucks an hour, he could blast a stripped bus in 8 hrs or so. That seems reasonable... thoughts? _________________ Looking for SO34 parts.
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Vinnems Samba Member
Joined: December 23, 2008 Posts: 1181 Location: Simi Valley, CA
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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If your time ain't worth $&*%, you could take some of that money and by a DA sander and do most of the work yourself. Have him hit the corners if you want, but if it's anything like a Beetle, the corners are so packed with seam sealer that I would just leave them. |
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spook Samba Member
Joined: December 30, 2003 Posts: 2038 Location: in the shop 35750
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 4:26 am Post subject: |
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Jerry wrote: |
There was a soda blasting company handing out business cards at the last VW show I attended. The fellow had some samples (hoods) that had been done by his company. He claimed that the hoods he had on display had been out in the rain for at least 6 months & the surfaces were rust-free. Is there any truth to that? If so, wouldn't it be great to roll your project out in the weather from time to time & not even have to worry about it getting rained on? FWIW, there were a couple of really dark places on the hoods as well, I asked the guy what the discoloration was from & he told me that was surface rust. Evidently the soda had darkened the rust sorta like Ospho does. He went on to tell me that he charges 100 bucks an hour, he could blast a stripped bus in 8 hrs or so. That seems reasonable... thoughts? |
soda will do as he said, kind of,
it will keep stable as long as it is not touched
or gotten wet, I have had a car in bare steel
after soda blast, for 6 months, any where that it was touched
surface rust showed up, same story if gotten wet.
The main draw back with soda, is it needs to be completely
removed before paint, any paint!
I have seen beautiful shoots peal in sheets because
the soda was not neutralized _________________ www.airkooledkustoms.com
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Jerry Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Spook, thanks for chiming in. I haven't had any experience with soda whatsoever. When I looked at the sample panels, I asked the fellow if the metal was good enough to paint as is. He said "sure, just like this" If soomeone were to go ahead with the sodablasting precedure, would wax & grease remover be enough to "neutralize" the metal? _________________ Looking for SO34 parts.
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IdahoDoug Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2010 Posts: 10239 Location: N. Idaho
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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As far as I know, it's standard body shop procedure to mark up anything they subcontract. Frankly, if you're writing a check as large as I'm guessing you will be to the shop for this entire job, I'd speak to the shop about the estimate and negotiate some of that type of crap away. I don't begrudge a shop its profit but were it my money I might suggest some of that stuff not be done to me as if I were an insurance company that simply shrugs and writes a check.
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spook Samba Member
Joined: December 30, 2003 Posts: 2038 Location: in the shop 35750
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 3:39 am Post subject: |
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Jerry wrote: |
Hey Spook, thanks for chiming in. I haven't had any experience with soda whatsoever. When I looked at the sample panels, I asked the fellow if the metal was good enough to paint as is. He said "sure, just like this" If soomeone were to go ahead with the sodablasting precedure, would wax & grease remover be enough to "neutralize" the metal? |
believe it or not soapy water then clean compressed air to remove water
is the way to neutralize the soda,
The sodas PH and the paints PH have to be close If you really don't want to have your blaster use sand, We have found that phosphoric powder is a good medium , My current favorite is crushed glass _________________ www.airkooledkustoms.com
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teamasr Samba Member
Joined: August 04, 2009 Posts: 159 Location: SF Bay Area
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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I want to ask for a receipt for the soda work, but then again, if this happens to be a friend, any receipt can be fabricated. I honestly do not have the equipment or time to do the soda work myself so I would have had to have someone do it for me, but at $1900??? An I am told the guy at the sode shop is taking it in the rear because of the amount of time he had to spend on it.
Here is another tid bit, maybe I am bringin this up to justify the cost but in any event, the bus had at least two layers of paint. Blue on top, yellow under that and primer. makes a difference? |
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spook Samba Member
Joined: December 30, 2003 Posts: 2038 Location: in the shop 35750
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 2:42 am Post subject: |
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no,
if u haven't started then find another
blaster,blaster is prob fine, dont know about the shop tho
1900 for a blast job, even at a 25% park up, (a little high)
I am starting to wonder if I need to bump my pricing..........
now if that price is for a full blast, (inside out) and shoot it in sealer
that is reasonable pricing _________________ www.airkooledkustoms.com
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VintageVulture Samba Member
Joined: May 25, 2003 Posts: 789 Location: Pacific Northwest- USA
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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It's a lot of money but will save you a ton of work. I'd rather spend a day with an air blower removing sand, dust and media than spend three weeks with a wire wheel, grinders and poor results. I usually pay about 1000 for the exterior/interior on a Bus. I pay $500 for a complete undercarriage blast on a Bus. I would think $1900 is a tad high but the location IS everything. The shop may be highly desired by your local rodders, hence the big dollar bid... That's just what things cost anymore. It sucks for the DIYers. VWs aren't any cheaper to do up than a 57 Chevy... My feelings is that it's almost MORE work to restore a Bus so pay up! Get a second opinion but don't expect that cheaper guy to do a better job. _________________ The best things in life aren't Things
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teamasr Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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This was a complete blast, interior, exterior, underside down to bare metal. |
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