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fotoroadie Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2013 Posts: 180 Location: Manitowoc, WI
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2021 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: Official 1960-1961 registry and restoration guide thread. |
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I have what I believe NOS set - Year ? - here's a couple pics. Bobby
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House Minutia Militia
Joined: June 13, 2001 Posts: 1762
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2021 11:49 pm Post subject: Re: Official 1960-1961 registry and restoration guide thread. |
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Is "malach. green" the same as "WW Green German Square weave"? |
FYI, that stands for Malachite Green. The original carpets I have seen seemed lighter, but they may have just been faded like all carpets seem to be...
Also, the Elf Green running boards I have seen seem to be very close to the Turkis paint, not quite as contrasting as the Como Green ones... |
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doveblue3 Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2003 Posts: 1820 Location: Florida
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 10:42 am Post subject: Re: Official 1960-1961 registry and restoration guide thread. |
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pastellgreen wrote: |
Here I send you some pictures of an all original 1960 turquoise car. One of the first of the 61 model year.
VW never used two different names for the same thing. So for the colour-orgy they celebrated at that time you can be sure, it is almost not possible to get anything as new repros for these car, when you try to get it absolutely stock. Not the carpet, not the floor rubber mats, not the hand brake boot, not the door cardsor seat covers... it is impossible. All you can do is looking for original parts.
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Thank you for the info and the fantastic photos, they are very helpful. Most notably, you have confirmed that my 2 tone headliner is original. I will add some photos and details of my car later this week.
I also have a slightly later pastel blue '61, so I need to figure out some things on that one too. |
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doveblue3 Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2003 Posts: 1820 Location: Florida
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 11:22 am Post subject: Re: Official 1960-1961 registry and restoration guide thread. |
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House wrote: |
doveblue3 wrote: |
Is "malach. green" the same as "WW Green German Square weave"? |
FYI, that stands for Malachite Green. The original carpets I have seen seemed lighter, but they may have just been faded like all carpets seem to be...
Also, the Elf Green running boards I have seen seem to be very close to the Turkis paint, not quite as contrasting as the Como Green ones... |
Taking the comment regarding elf green color from House and comparing it to the picture from the original '61 car - does it appear that the picture confirms what House is saying by virtue of the running board mat that is covered by the door and not sun faded appearing to be turkis-ish? |
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pastellgreen Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2012 Posts: 1047 Location: Germany
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: Official 1960-1961 registry and restoration guide thread. |
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Also the area, where the trim once sat. |
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cotegary Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2003 Posts: 7
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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:14 pm Post subject: Re: Official 1960-1961 registry and restoration guide thread. |
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This is my numbers matching Indiana Red 1960 Beetle. I bought this in the mid-90’s and have been chipping away at it ever since. It got painted about 5 years ago, and I even have everything to finish it. Somehow it got pushed to the side when I discovered I love split buses more. It has all the original parts, including the 36hp motor, beam, split case trans, wide trim running boards etc. It even has the original Sapphire I vertical push button radio with a dealer install tag from the dealership in Lake Tahoe. The original upholstery is in surprisingly good shape, but the stitching has let go. I’ll see if my upholstery guy can do anything with it. The door cards are in perfect shape too. I found a NOS SWF 6-wire turn signal switch in the late 90’s. I have an original aftermarket VDO electric gas gauge (looks like the later mechanical ones) but not sure if I want to put it in. Will be a fun car!
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jays58s Samba Member
Joined: August 23, 2004 Posts: 2133 Location: Nor-Cal
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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: Official 1960-1961 registry and restoration guide thread. |
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cotegary wrote: |
This is my numbers matching Indiana Red 1960 Beetle. I bought this in the mid-90’s and have been chipping away at it ever since. It got painted about 5 years ago, and I even have everything to finish it. Somehow it got pushed to the side when I discovered I love split buses more. It has all the original parts, including the 36hp motor, beam, split case trans, wide trim running boards etc. It even has the original Sapphire I vertical push button radio with a dealer install tag from the dealership in Lake Tahoe. The original upholstery is in surprisingly good shape, but the stitching has let go. I’ll see if my upholstery guy can do anything with it. The door cards are in perfect shape too. I found a NOS SWF 6-wire turn signal switch in the late 90’s. I have an original aftermarket VDO electric gas gauge (looks like the later mechanical ones) but not sure if I want to put it in. Will be a fun car!
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That’s a nice car! One of my customers has this same car, it has 47,000 original miles on it. I’ve always liked 1960 bugs, I want to get one someday. Let me know if you ever decide to sell this one! |
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Big Bill Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2005 Posts: 1782 Location: Santa Rosa, Ca
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:51 am Post subject: Re: Official 1960-1961 registry and restoration guide thread. |
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This is a few shots of my 60 Rag Top India Red Beetle. I owned it in the mid 80s when the Cal-Look was the thing to do, bought it from the OG owner and removed all of the OG parts adn replaced them with lastest Cal-Look $hit . It is the one Beetle I wish I would have kept over the years.
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VWAdam Samba Member
Joined: February 14, 2002 Posts: 3330 Location: Birmingham, Alabama
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:39 am Post subject: Re: Official 1960-1961 registry and restoration guide thread. |
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My cousin got his first VW, a ‘60 ragtop on a ‘65 pan. It looks like an 80’s-90’s “resto” Anyway, the original VIN plate is gone. It has a Pennsylvania reassignment tag on the front riveted on. There’s a 6 digit body number stamped there too. Is there anyway to use that to find out a build date for the body? Everything points to a 60. Humpback tank, early style clip, H apron, etc _________________ All he needed was a wheel in his hand and four on the road.
'59 Euro Beetle ragtop
'63 Standard Microbus
Come to my show! www.volksjam.com
Looking for badge/sticker/frame from Western Motors in Great Falls, Montana |
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janerick3 Samba Member
Joined: June 04, 2006 Posts: 1879 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 8:12 pm Post subject: Re: Official 1960-1961 registry and restoration guide thread. |
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VWAdam wrote: |
My cousin got his first VW, a ‘60 ragtop on a ‘65 pan. It looks like an 80’s-90’s “resto” Anyway, the original VIN plate is gone. It has a Pennsylvania reassignment tag on the front riveted on. There’s a 6 digit body number stamped there too. Is there anyway to use that to find out a build date for the body? Everything points to a 60. Humpback tank, early style clip, H apron, etc |
If there is a body number stamped and the shell has a non-grafted big rear window, it is a 1958 model year body. _________________ Thanks,
Jan K. |
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jays58s Samba Member
Joined: August 23, 2004 Posts: 2133 Location: Nor-Cal
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Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:24 pm Post subject: Re: Official 1960-1961 registry and restoration guide thread. |
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I’m not sure if it’s been covered, but what in the world is the deal with the color L451? I’ve seen it called India Red, Indian Red, and Indiana Red. |
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mukluk Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2012 Posts: 7023 Location: Clyde, TX
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Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:14 pm Post subject: Re: Official 1960-1961 registry and restoration guide thread. |
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jays58s wrote: |
I’m not sure if it’s been covered, but what in the world is the deal with the color L451? I’ve seen it called India Red, Indian Red, and Indiana Red. |
When in doubt, see what the official VW paint & upholstery book called it.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/8_59_color_book2/23.jpg _________________ 1960 Ragtop w/Semaphores "Inga" |
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jays58s Samba Member
Joined: August 23, 2004 Posts: 2133 Location: Nor-Cal
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Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:29 pm Post subject: Re: Official 1960-1961 registry and restoration guide thread. |
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I worked on a bug that’s this color and it has 47,000 original miles. The paint code sticker on that one calls it Indiana. |
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trektider60 Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2012 Posts: 73 Location: SE Indiana
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:48 am Post subject: Re: Official 1960-1961 registry and restoration guide thread. |
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My sticker says INDIANA L451. I would attach a pic, but the image I have on my phone is to large. If you search for the 7,200 mile ‘60 on oldbug.com you can see a perfect sticker with INDIANA L451. _________________ 1960 Indiana Red T1 |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69802 Location: Phoenix Metro
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mukluk Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2012 Posts: 7023 Location: Clyde, TX
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:51 am Post subject: Re: Official 1960-1961 registry and restoration guide thread. |
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jays58s wrote: |
I worked on a bug that’s this color and it has 47,000 original miles. The paint code sticker on that one calls it Indiana. |
trektider60 wrote: |
My sticker says INDIANA L451. I would attach a pic, but the image I have on my phone is to large. If you search for the 7,200 mile ‘60 on oldbug.com you can see a perfect sticker with INDIANA L451. |
Much like every other paint label of the era VW put in their cars, it's in German. The German word used for Indian red on the paint label is Indiana. If one feels compelled to always use the German name for the colour like the Turquoise (Turkis) crowd tends to, then by all means keep calling it Indiana. The name in English is Indian red. _________________ 1960 Ragtop w/Semaphores "Inga" |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69802 Location: Phoenix Metro
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pastellgreen Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2012 Posts: 1047 Location: Germany
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2021 1:18 pm Post subject: Re: Official 1960-1961 registry and restoration guide thread. |
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The colour was called "indiarot" in Germany. Normally, "indian red" would be the correct translation. Otherwise "indiarot" is not a commen word, if "indian red" would have existed first, a German would have naturally translated it to "indischrot"
Everett is right, the country is called "Indien", "indisch" is the adjective, "indiarot" does not really exist and is a made-up word, used by Volkswagen and is today rarely present as a name of a colour for several industrial products. |
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mukluk Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2012 Posts: 7023 Location: Clyde, TX
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: Official 1960-1961 registry and restoration guide thread. |
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As seen in the German language colour brochure from VW:
As seen in the English language paint & upholstery book from VW:
I've not seen any VW literature that called L451 "indiarot". _________________ 1960 Ragtop w/Semaphores "Inga" |
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jays58s Samba Member
Joined: August 23, 2004 Posts: 2133 Location: Nor-Cal
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:51 pm Post subject: Re: Official 1960-1961 registry and restoration guide thread. |
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mukluk wrote: |
As seen in the German language colour brochure from VW:
As seen in the English language paint & upholstery book from VW:
I've not seen any VW literature that called L451 "indiarot". |
It’s all making sense now lol. Thanks for all the info everyone! |
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