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billiebear
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 Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: The Stupid Question Thread |
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I was given a "B" case engine that had broken a valve. After removing the broken piston and cylinder, the crank rolled easily, but being an optimist (not), I continued to separate the cases only to find the fuel pump shaft had bent and was no longer touching the Distributor Drive Pinion, also a flat lobe on the offending valve. So I was right.
I am looking at the bearings and the split main has an elephant and the kb stamp, part number is 850717100.25, I am pretty sure it is a Kolbenschmidt.
Can any body translate this for me? VW shops are few and far between in my area.
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mewidmer
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| Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:14 pm Post subject: Re: The Stupid Question Thread |
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OK - my first (of to be many) stupid question post....
Can someone confirm this is a 009 Distributor? I'm 95% certain, but have realized to never put anything past the prior owner...
The only PN # / Label I could find was EMPI 18/44 - and for some reason, I'm not finding many results when I google/search
Bus is a 1971 Weekender, with Dual Carb ICT (EMPI) setup
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airschooled
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| Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: The Stupid Question Thread |
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| Can someone confirm this is a 009 Distributor? I'm 95% certain, but have realized to never put anything past the prior owner... |
That's a 009-style distributor. It may work great, or it may be a paperweight. The EMPI HPMX carbs are quite good, but I have not found their distributors to be as precise.
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Wildthings
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| Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: The Stupid Question Thread |
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OK - my first (of to be many) stupid question post....
Can someone confirm this is a 009 Distributor? I'm 95% certain, but have realized to never put anything past the prior owner...
The only PN # / Label I could find was EMPI 18/44 - and for some reason, I'm not finding many results when I google/search
Bus is a 1971 Weekender, with Dual Carb ICT (EMPI) setup
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Don't have a clue as to how much advance your distributor has. Buses in general require less advance than the same engine installed in a beetle, while many 009 clones have more advance than a real Bosch 009 does. |
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mewidmer
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| Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: The Stupid Question Thread |
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| mewidmer wrote: |
| Can someone confirm this is a 009 Distributor? I'm 95% certain, but have realized to never put anything past the prior owner... |
That's a 009-style distributor. It may work great, or it may be a paperweight. The EMPI HPMX carbs are quite good, but I have not found their distributors to be as precise.
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Awesome! I'm leaning toward paper weight vs a super special EMPI 18 of 44 edition |
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airschooled
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| Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:53 pm Post subject: Re: The Stupid Question Thread |
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Awesome! I'm leaning toward paper weight vs a super special EMPI 18 of 44 edition |
If you set the max advance to 28-30° btdc, idles between 8° and 15°btdc, and gets going smoothly, I'd run it. Otherwise, start reading up on how to work those carbs with an SVDA, or get a restored 010/019.
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allanmcclard
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| So I have a stupid question, how do I know what type of distributor I have because I'm very new to vw and I inherited a 1977 bay window and honestly don't know crap about them. Needless to say I bought an electronic ignition conversion kit and its the wrong one, I'm not sure if jbugs will take it back with it being electronic. Now I do know my distributor has the vacuum pump off the side of it with the little arm running into the distributor. The kit I bought was apparently for the 009, please help if you can thanks. |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:32 am Post subject: Re: The Stupid Question Thread |
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| how do I know what type of distributor I have |
Post up all the numbers on the side, sample below:
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airschooled
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:37 am Post subject: Re: The Stupid Question Thread |
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| So I have a stupid question, how do I know what type of distributor I have because I'm very new to vw and I inherited a 1977 bay window and honestly don't know crap about them. Needless to say I bought an electronic ignition conversion kit and its the wrong one, I'm not sure if jbugs will take it back with it being electronic. Now I do know my distributor has the vacuum pump off the side of it with the little arm running into the distributor. The kit I bought was apparently for the 009, please help if you can thanks. |
Hi there! Post a picture of what you have:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6
It’s true the points mounting (and replacement electronic bits) are different between the two distributors. Since JBugs doesn’t accept returns on electronics, you might be best finding a local VW club to sell your 009 Pertronix. Trading would be another option as well.
If your ‘77 bus still has the original fuel injection, do not get rid of the vacuum distributor; they pair best together. The best points (and maybe condensers) on the market are Echlin brand, available at Napa auto for $10.
There are two types of classic VW owners:
- Those who learn to adjust points once a year because it’s easy, cheap, and fun.
- Those who learn to instal points on the side of the road when their Pertronix dies.
See you on the road!
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mewidmer
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:58 am Post subject: Re: The Stupid Question Thread |
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Awesome! I'm leaning toward paper weight vs a super special EMPI 18 of 44 edition |
If you set the max advance to 28-30° btdc, idles between 8° and 15°btdc, and gets going smoothly, I'd run it. Otherwise, start reading up on how to work those carbs with an SVDA, or get a restored 010/019.
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Thanks - I'll give it a shot! |
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wihr
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There are two types of classic VW owners:
- Those who learn to adjust points once a year because it’s easy, cheap, and fun.
- Those who learn to install points on the side of the road when their Pertronix dies.
. . . or those that do neither because they installed Allison/Crane ignition 35 years ago!
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NorCalWeekender
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So here's a bit of a mystery I'm chasing down currently. And I probably won't do the best job of explaining it.
71 Bus. I don't do a ton of night driving in it (because, you know, pandemic). But a couple times I've been out and needed the headlights, they have occasionally shut themselves off. But they come back on.
I've checked the high/low beam relay both at the turn signal switch and the relay. It's got a good click to it and I haven't observed unusual behavior there. I've used the high/low switch to get the lights back while out driving.
My instinct goes to it being a ground issue or a switch issue. Just parked in the driveway last night, I couldn't get it to happen just trying to jostle the switch (though I suspect the dimmer in the switch could use a cleaning, observing the dash lights...that's a separate issue).
My plan for after work is to pull the headlights and check the ground for each of them (they both have gone out when this happens, so wondering about the odds of both grounds having issues). But I'm curious what others might suggest I check over and test.
Thanks! I'm also planning to take the bus to pick up dinner tonight, so hopefully I can get it to happen again.
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How old is your ignition switch?, the X circuit may be on the way out. If they do go out again try wiggling the key.
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NorCalWeekender
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| How old is your ignition switch?, the X circuit may be on the way out. If they do go out again try wiggling the key. |
See, I would not have considered the ignition switch. As far as I know, it's still the original switch. At the very least, the key matches every door on the bus down the code stamped on the handles.
I should go read up on the X circuit.
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| How old is your ignition switch?, the X circuit may be on the way out. If they do go out again try wiggling the key. |
See, I would not have considered the ignition switch. As far as I know, it's still the original switch. At the very least, the key matches every door on the bus down the code stamped on the handles.
I should go read up on the X circuit. |
X circuit! Okay, I see it on the wiring diagram. Runs thru the ignition switch to the headlight switch.
I presume the repair (if it's the culprit) is a new ignition switch?
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| How old is your ignition switch?, the X circuit may be on the way out. If they do go out again try wiggling the key. |
See, I would not have considered the ignition switch. As far as I know, it's still the original switch. At the very least, the key matches every door on the bus down the code stamped on the handles.
I should go read up on the X circuit. |
X circuit! Okay, I see it on the wiring diagram. Runs thru the ignition switch to the headlight switch.
I presume the repair (if it's the culprit) is a new ignition switch? |
Yes.
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NorCalWeekender
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| How old is your ignition switch?, the X circuit may be on the way out. If they do go out again try wiggling the key. |
See, I would not have considered the ignition switch. As far as I know, it's still the original switch. At the very least, the key matches every door on the bus down the code stamped on the handles.
I should go read up on the X circuit. |
X circuit! Okay, I see it on the wiring diagram. Runs thru the ignition switch to the headlight switch.
I presume the repair (if it's the culprit) is a new ignition switch? |
Yes. |
Duly noted. Thank you!
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Wildthings
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| The ignition switch is separate from the ignition lock cylinder. Either can cause problems with the X-circuit. If the key doesn't return fully to the "RUN" position after starting the headlights may not work even if the ignition switch itself is just fine. If you went to a locksmith, he might well just squirt the lock cylinder with WD40 and send you on your way. |
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NorCalWeekender
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: The Stupid Question Thread |
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| The ignition switch is separate from the ignition lock cylinder. Either can cause problems with the X-circuit. If the key doesn't return fully to the "RUN" position after starting the headlights may not work even if the ignition switch itself is just fine. If you went to a locksmith, he might well just squirt the lock cylinder with WD40 and send you on your way. |
So, then could a worn key also cause the issue?
I'm pretty sure my key returns to RUN just fine, but that's something else to at least be aware of. Thanks!
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I have a type 4 2.0l engine and am in the middle of fixing my afterburner (u-pipes) - I know this sounds a bit stupid BUT
ARE THEY INTERCHANGEABLE e.g. can the left fit on the right and vice versa?
It's just that they look the same to me - I know F-Pipes are not but what about the u-pipes??
Thank you - you clever engineering folks - Daily Oliver. 
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