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malcolm2 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 10:05 am Post subject: Weber 40 IDFs are dripping when parked |
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Full complete, successful Dual Carb set up was done in May.
Nice day to drive yesterday. Needed gas, so I filled up. Did some more driving, then parked for the night.
Garage was strong with gas smell this morning. A small pool under one side, so I pulled the air filter and see a frequent drip into one barrel. The other is damp, so it is probably dripping too.... same as the other side. Butterflies are damp after 12 hours of being parked.
All the visible edges of the gaskets are wet too.
You think it is a stuck float problem?
Electric pump... about 2 psi, when running. Even with a stuck float, there would have to be residual pressure, right? Might have stopped during the day sometime, I guess. _________________ My Toys: '75 Porsche 914, '92 Ski Nautique and now a 1972 VW Transporter Deluxe (punch list fixing) |
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 10:30 am Post subject: Re: Weber 40 IDFs are dripping when parked |
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The floats have to be leaking so should be addressed. As an additional precaution you could add a marine anti siphon valve to the supply line or an electric fuel cutoff. |
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richparker Samba Member
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malcolm2 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 11:41 am Post subject: Re: Weber 40 IDFs are dripping when parked |
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richparker wrote: |
Definitely need to check the float height. You should also look into some Phenolic spacers if you do not already have a set. |
between the heads and the carb manifolds? It is my understanding that those are used with FI. _________________ My Toys: '75 Porsche 914, '92 Ski Nautique and now a 1972 VW Transporter Deluxe (punch list fixing) |
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 11:55 am Post subject: Re: Weber 40 IDFs are dripping when parked |
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malcolm2 wrote: |
richparker wrote: |
Definitely need to check the float height. You should also look into some Phenolic spacers if you do not already have a set. |
between the heads and the carb manifolds? It is my understanding that those are used with FI. |
You can use various thickness spacer as a tuning device for climate. Where it's very hot a thick gaskets may be warranted, whereas in a cool location a very thin ones are warranted. With the lower boiling point of ethanol lace fuel this can be very important. Note that there are two places where gaskets are used, 1: between the intake manifolds and the heads, and 2: between the carbs and the intake manifolds. |
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richparker Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: Weber 40 IDFs are dripping when parked |
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I was talking about using them between the carb and manifold. It’s hot in the summer and cold in the winter in my geographic location. I run them all year long on both of my ACVWs, no issues. _________________ __________
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malcolm2 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:26 pm Post subject: Re: Weber 40 IDFs are dripping when parked |
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Is this normal....
As I said, full tank of gas.
I removed the top of the carb. I put the hose from the top plate into a bucket. I have a constant drip. 1 per second. I can move that hose around up and down in the bucket and the drip keeps coming.
So the siphon rule would say, when the exit of that hose is below the top of the fuel in the tank, I would get flow... or in this case a drip? And proper float needle setting is gonna stop that?
I have a hose from the electric FP up to a FP regulator that splits to the carbs. _________________ My Toys: '75 Porsche 914, '92 Ski Nautique and now a 1972 VW Transporter Deluxe (punch list fixing) |
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richparker Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: Weber 40 IDFs are dripping when parked |
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It’s not normal. I’ve had nothing but good success with IDF carburetors, both Webers and Chinese knock offs. Did you go through the carbs, clean and set them up properly before you installed them?
Here’s a video on setting up a pair of Empi carbs. I know they are not Webers, but they are a copy of Webers. There’s another video showing how to set the floats. Maybe I’ll find it, or you can find it I bet.
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Here ya go
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malcolm2 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: Weber 40 IDFs are dripping when parked |
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RIP AC.net.
Paid extra for their service of cleaning and set-up for my application. Then I went thru the BEST LEAN IDLE.... many times, and used a snail to sync them up. So running wise, I think all is well. Not running, the gas keeps flowing or dripping at least. I suppose it is partially from a FULL tank.
Float did not leak as I held it under water for a time. The settings are not per the weber manual.... 10mm and 32mm. Going to re-install and see what happens.
_________________ My Toys: '75 Porsche 914, '92 Ski Nautique and now a 1972 VW Transporter Deluxe (punch list fixing)
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Willin Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:49 pm Post subject: Re: Weber 40 IDFs are dripping when parked |
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I had this issue. Worse in hot weather. There were a couple things...
Got some float needles with the rubber tips. My metal needles leaked. They wouldn't hold a pound of pressure.
Check your fuel pressure, if you haven't. I found that something happened to my cheap, low psi electric pump, and it maxed out my gauge when I checked.
The phenolic spacers between the carbs and mani will come in handy when it's hot in the summer. They seem to be a good idea. _________________ 73 bus. Org. 1700 with dual Weber 40 idfs, bus header with Empi qp muffler, CB magnaspark 2 " ready to run kit". |
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malcolm2 Samba Member
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aeromech Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 8:49 pm Post subject: Re: Weber 40 IDFs are dripping when parked |
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Leaking needle valves. Replace them and be happy _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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Abscate Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 3:43 am Post subject: Re: Weber 40 IDFs are dripping when parked |
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Perfect time to put in a nice brass stopcock fuel shut off . With oetinger clamps, chafe and strain relief, allowing fuel shut off
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malcolm2 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 6:28 am Post subject: Re: Weber 40 IDFs are dripping when parked |
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aeromech wrote: |
Leaking needle valves. Replace them and be happy |
It is hard to believe that both would be failing at the same time, but I suppose anything is possible.
What is the result of a larger setting? Like if I go to 13 or 15? wouldn't that (theoretically) shut off the the flow earlier, making the float bowl a few millimeters less full?
what are your thoughts on the ones with VITON tips?
Thanks so far. _________________ My Toys: '75 Porsche 914, '92 Ski Nautique and now a 1972 VW Transporter Deluxe (punch list fixing) |
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Willin Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:17 am Post subject: Re: Weber 40 IDFs are dripping when parked |
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Rubber = Viton _________________ 73 bus. Org. 1700 with dual Weber 40 idfs, bus header with Empi qp muffler, CB magnaspark 2 " ready to run kit". |
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aeromech Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 10:39 am Post subject: Re: Weber 40 IDFs are dripping when parked |
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Viton=best quality _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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malcolm2 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:09 am Post subject: Re: Weber 40 IDFs are dripping when parked |
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seems that there are tons of folks selling stuff that fits Weber.....
May or may not be Weber, right? Any vendor that any of you recommend? _________________ My Toys: '75 Porsche 914, '92 Ski Nautique and now a 1972 VW Transporter Deluxe (punch list fixing) |
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:46 am Post subject: Re: Weber 40 IDFs are dripping when parked |
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malcolm2 wrote: |
aeromech wrote: |
Leaking needle valves. Replace them and be happy |
It is hard to believe that both would be failing at the same time, but I suppose anything is possible.
What is the result of a larger setting? Like if I go to 13 or 15? wouldn't that (theoretically) shut off the the flow earlier, making the float bowl a few millimeters less full?
what are your thoughts on the ones with VITON tips?
Thanks so far. |
Changing the float level from spec may well cause the carburetor not to come off idle all that well. Go with a Viton tipped needle valve and don't look back.
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obieoberstar Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2024 8:58 pm Post subject: Re: Weber 40 IDFs are dripping when parked |
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I had a similar issue with my IDFs. They were purchased about 6 years ago.
The Left side carb would get moist while it was parked.
Replaced the float and needle valve assemblies on both carbs with parts from Pierce Manifolds. Genuine Weber. I would not trust unbranded bargain parts.
https://www.piercemanifolds.com/ |
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Abscate Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2024 5:51 am Post subject: Re: Weber 40 IDFs are dripping when parked |
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Willin wrote: |
Rubber = Viton |
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