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ALLWAGONS Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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In my original post I said Type 3 era. Fad just sounded better at that time. _________________ I'd be UNSTOPPABLE if not for Law Enforcement and PHYSICS.
I recycle old cars and parts, other than when I rot, that's as Green as I am going to get.
Thanks to my Tesla driving neighbors, I feel more relaxed driving my SUBURBAN and old VW's.
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FASTBACKDON The other insensitive jerk like Neil
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what is weird is I am starting to like fastbacks too
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Its about time _________________ FUCK CANCER FUCK CANCER FUCK CANCER!!
Mom 25 months of standing up to Cancer R.I.P I miss you so much.
Buy my best friends stuff
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supaninja Samba Member
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Tram Samba Socialist
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jimmynotch wrote: |
what is weird, is I. |
Its about time |
Fixed it for ya, Massa James! _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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FASTBACKDON The other insensitive jerk like Neil
Joined: October 08, 2004 Posts: 3592 Location: TORRANCE CALIF
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Jimmy are you running a fever, you might want to go and get that checked out |
LOL hey now just because Jimmy has seen the light dosen't mean he is running a fever. One day you too will see the light _________________ FUCK CANCER FUCK CANCER FUCK CANCER!!
Mom 25 months of standing up to Cancer R.I.P I miss you so much.
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Tram Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 22728 Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
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FASTBACKDON wrote: |
supaninja wrote: |
Jimmy are you running a fever, you might want to go and get that checked out |
LOL hey now just because Jimmy has seen the light dosen't mean he is running a fever. One day you too will see the light |
The "oil" light? _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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supaninja Samba Member
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FASTBACKDON The other insensitive jerk like Neil
Joined: October 08, 2004 Posts: 3592 Location: TORRANCE CALIF
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Tram wrote: |
FASTBACKDON wrote: |
supaninja wrote: |
Jimmy are you running a fever, you might want to go and get that checked out |
LOL hey now just because Jimmy has seen the light dosen't mean he is running a fever. One day you too will see the light |
The "oil" light? |
Smartass If you were not being TRAM I may take offense. How have you been my friend?
P.S. Who needs an oil light on a vw when all you have to do is look under the car to make sure it has oil. _________________ FUCK CANCER FUCK CANCER FUCK CANCER!!
Mom 25 months of standing up to Cancer R.I.P I miss you so much.
Buy my best friends stuff
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JSMskater Samba Grease Gorilla
Joined: February 01, 2006 Posts: 5362 Location: Murrieta California
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FASTBACKDON wrote: |
Tram wrote: |
FASTBACKDON wrote: |
supaninja wrote: |
Jimmy are you running a fever, you might want to go and get that checked out |
LOL hey now just because Jimmy has seen the light dosen't mean he is running a fever. One day you too will see the light |
The "oil" light? |
Smartass If you were not being TRAM I may take offense. How have you been my friend?
P.S. Who needs an oil light on a vw when all you have to do is look under the car to make sure it has oil. |
i knew this thread wouldn't last 2 pages before...
but in all seriousness I agree with Tram on this one -- I really, REALLY wish I had a way of making my car bone stock, and have oftentimes just had to "customize" or rig something up to fit since the right part is NLA. case in point: 71 steering column/ign switch. mine has a whole 73 unit installed now, and it drives me nuts! not to mention FI parts are getting scarcer every day -- im STILL looking for a c type MAP replacement, my one good one finally sprung a leak in the diaphram, and I've just used a 73 E one ever since. Another one is the stock exhaust -- I'd love to have a complete stock system -- but good luck finding all the parts, and then have to have them totally worked over just to be usable.
I'd like to help the effort any way I can. _________________ 71 Squareback-FI -- 73 Bay (subaru powered)
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Tram Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 22728 Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
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JSMskater wrote: |
FASTBACKDON wrote: |
Tram wrote: |
FASTBACKDON wrote: |
supaninja wrote: |
Jimmy are you running a fever, you might want to go and get that checked out |
LOL hey now just because Jimmy has seen the light dosen't mean he is running a fever. One day you too will see the light |
The "oil" light? |
Smartass If you were not being TRAM I may take offense. How have you been my friend?
P.S. Who needs an oil light on a vw when all you have to do is look under the car to make sure it has oil. |
i knew this thread wouldn't last 2 pages before...
but in all seriousness I agree with Tram on this one -- I really, REALLY wish I had a way of making my car bone stock, and have oftentimes just had to "customize" or rig something up to fit since the right part is NLA. case in point: 71 steering column/ign switch. mine has a whole 73 unit installed now, and it drives me nuts! not to mention FI parts are getting scarcer every day -- im STILL looking for a c type MAP replacement, my one good one finally sprung a leak in the diaphram, and I've just used a 73 E one ever since. Another one is the stock exhaust -- I'd love to have a complete stock system -- but good luck finding all the parts, and then have to have them totally worked over just to be usable.
I'd like to help the effort any way I can. |
Why didn't you PM me about your MAP? Dolt! _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22461 Location: Escondido CA
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 8:23 am Post subject: |
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This is all well and good and I commend you guys for wanting something bigger to happen. Its truly a needed source to have kinda like a Ratwell site for T3s I think-with focus on what it was and what is used today kinda thing.
But at the end of the day you have dreamers and doers. Who's going to do it? Talk the talk and walk the walk?
It needs to be more than one person caring the load. As you will find you can only walk so far before you are tired.
In the begining of the 1500 inception-four of us-jack, ron, russ and myself wanted to make a stock early club. With a name chose and an idea planted so grew the site. Lee then stepped in to help me put it up, then I managed it a bit, then jack stepped in when I got tired of it, now bob who has way more computer skills than jack or I has stepped in.
When it came to making parts-we had to be able to pool money to cover the costs of the individual who was nutting up to get it started in the first place (Bob). With out Bobs excitment for being back into T3s we as a club and comunity wouldnt have some cool stuff around. Keeping divece in the workload with lots of member support is vital. We all feed from the new guys excitement. THey ask your opinion and want to know what you know making you feel special and esmart.
When you put something like this together you need to realize for the most part its a very small group that puts it together for a much larger group to enjoy. And if they like it-then they want MORE, MORE!
For me personally the overdose of T3 has almost spoiled the whole thing for me. I’ve needed to step back and get a fresh look. At present yes its through a bay window. But I’m still a T3 guy-all of them and I cut my teeth on a fasty and never thought them as a parts car That's just a stink neil likes to leave behind
Like turbomicrowaves said the parts for the most part have become a who knows who game. Thats because alot of us 30-40 something guys have had to pay big $ and time (sometimes building a relationship) to get them out of the 50-60 somethings hoard stash. So how are you teen-twentys guys gona prove to me that you wont put a rare part on a shit box and destroy it? You younger guys are riding off what the generation before you has laid out. Guys my age were old enough to know what not having any suport was-dark age stuff like prior to the net kinda thing with dial up phones and your second TV being black and white To crossing over into a world where we can now SEE or buy a part weve only heard about and or didnt even know exsisted!
Some of you dont like Lee Hedges, some do. But hands down for an example of putting together a site, network of parts and cars and having as much history, pics tech as possible about a T3-its him. Its him all by himself, no bs tire kicking water cooler shit. Just doing.
The information Ive gathered and the parts and cars Ive owned are fuel for the passion that must be shared. I agree. But people please dont cut of your nose to spite your face. Most of the information you seek is here on this site thanks to Everett, as well as all us users that have inputted coutless hours. How many of you know that Im the 12th highest photo contributor here to the samba? Thats 4123 pics as of today. Id like to think that most of them are solid worth wile shots of art or information. And thats a shit load of time I should be spending on my own site and members for sure.
So whos going to do it? Im into busses now so tag Im not it
turbomicrowaves you seem to have an asertive opinion on whats what, you game to launch the T3 into a new era or will you as with most be reserved to the dreamer side _________________
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bad1916 Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2010 Posts: 224 Location: Camarillo ca
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 11:30 am Post subject: |
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MLTIGGER2 wrote: |
I see a problem in the Volkswagen community as a whole and it's worse for Type 3 owners. Alot of the parts are not the quality of the original, and if they are, will VW owners pay the increased price?
I am not sure if other makes of classic cars went through this quality difference, ie Ford and Chevy parts.
The problem we run into is some parts are just not available and, some of the parts like window rubbers, don't last as long as the original.
I know the chrome parts that you can get are not as good as back in the 60's due to EPA restrictions. |
Speaking from the stand point of 65-73 mustang parts there is a quality issue as well. I have worked at a mustang restoration and parts shop for 16 years now and we run into issues all the time. Even when we show the suppliers multiple examples of product that do not fit they continue to produce them because people still buy it.When the parts were available from Ford people didnt buy because the tiawanese parts were cheaper and now people complain because Ford doesnt make the parts anymore. The Mustang people shot themselves in the foot by not supporting Ford in that regard.
The lesson to be learned here is to support the people that are working to continue the hobby not necessarily to make a whole lot of money but for love of the cars. _________________ SEMPER PARATUS!
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MLTIGGER2 Samba Member
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My '68 Square has some modifications, it is sitting in the weeds front and rear, and the FI was ripped out(not by me) Otherwise it is stock, the interior has never been touched, dash has no cracks and the clock still works. It even has original window rubbers. When it comes time for me to renew this car, I would love to have quality options. Gerson has made pans for our cars and will probably get one for passenger side due to battery/rear seat rust hole, this is a quality part from what I have heard.
Luckily the body is in decent shape since these parts are not made now.
When I restore this car I want to do it right, and once. I don't want to have to change window rubbers every few years etc etc.
If I could restore it to original fuel injection I would, the only option at this time is to find an unmolested car and sell this one.
The Type 3's are rarer than rare out here, import cars were never popular here. I never see a Fastback or Notch in this area and I know of one other square in this city. _________________ 1968 Squareback
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JSMskater Samba Grease Gorilla
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Why didn't you PM me about your MAP? Dolt! |
in all honesty I thought I had a while ago but i just went looking into my sent box and didn't find it, so I must've forgotten to do it between finals and all that.
you have a PM _________________ 71 Squareback-FI -- 73 Bay (subaru powered)
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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Definitely no fad, I've had my notch in 3 VW shows...2 of them it was the only type 3 and the third it was one of three but the only notch. At the Texas classic, out of 500 VW's only 7 type 3's...friggin 7! |
I hear ya. I just got back a couple of hours ago from the Michigan Vintage VW Festival. This event is put on by the Michigan chapter of the Vintage VW Club, and I really don't know how many cars were there total, but there was 8 t-3s, 2 of which were T-34s, and 2 Notchbacks (1 early, and 1 late (mine)), along with a lone late Fastback and 3 Squares. That's it. However, this "total" number is about the same as most years, and today was a low total count day (we were expecting rain, which always drops the count total down). It seems like when I attend these kind of events, it's like going to a miny Invasion, as the same people who attend them, go to both. But, it's also a good way to see old friends, and catch up on "other" stuff. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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This is all well and good and I commend you guys for wanting something bigger to happen. Its truly a needed source to have kinda like a Ratwell site for T3s I think-with focus on what it was and what is used today kinda thing.
The information Ive gathered and the parts and cars Ive owned are fuel for the passion that must be shared. I agree. But people please dont cut of your nose to spite your face. Most of the information you seek is here on this site thanks to Everett, as well as all us users that have inputted coutless hours. How many of you know that Im the 12th highest photo contributor here to the samba? Thats 4123 pics as of today. Id like to think that most of them are solid worth wile shots of art or information. And thats a shit load of time I should be spending on my own site and members for sure.
So whos going to do it? Im into busses now so tag Im not it
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Well, I've been trying to document some stuff in both of my builds. I-we (Sue and I) have been adding to our pic total for a while now. Granted my "late" Notch isn't 100% correct, but then it did have 1 foot in the grave, and the other on a bananna peel. It was very close to getting crushed. I didn't think Neil would cut up a Square to give me the parts I needed to rebuild it, but he did. I don't have the "parts networking" like others, and since I'm in the mid west (salt belt) I don't even have any junk yards to hunt for parts, due to most of these cars rusting away and getting crushed. I do use the Samba classifieds though, as they're a great source for good used parts. But, I still remember the days of "pre-internet", and having a stack of different catalogs trying to find out who carries what. Back in the day, WCM, Bill and Steve's, and Rocky Mountain MotorWorks were the "good" places to get stuff, then came the VW lawyer crack down, and we (the t-3 people) lost a good source for parts.
However, in dealing with this T-34, I've learned from others, especially about how unique these cars are, and how hard it really is to find parts (correct or not ), as some of the stuff just isn't around, or parts were upgraded over the years, and nobody has the "old style" available.
Tram and I have been discussing an issue with some window seals that I purchased. It seems that the "new " seals are the "upgraded" version, but my car was designed for the "early" style, and the 2 are incompatable. Oh, sure they'll go on and fit the opening, but they won't seal, wont let you roll up the window (with the door closed), and cause the door glass to ride over the top of the seal. To me, these "new" seals are junk, as I can't use them. Tram and I are bouncing ideas back and forth trying to find an alternative solution. It might not rain in Texas, but we sure as hell get a bunch of rain around here (just like the PNW gets), and having seals that don't seal are worthless. Like I mentioned in my previous post, we went to the MI Vintage festival today, and I took pics of the different seals, so I could do some comparisons. I've still go to go thru them though.
Or you have the other main "bitch" that I have, and it's rear early (up to 69) tail light housing to body seals, that won't last for more than 6 months. Come on, it's not like I live in the desert or something. It also doesn't matter who you get them from either, as they're all the same quality (or is it a lack of quality). _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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notchback Insensitive Jerk
Joined: December 16, 2003 Posts: 7024 Location: Behind the Zion Curtain
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George is making me feel bad about cutting cars up. Maybe if he'd get a house with more property I could bring complete cars over to him instead of what will fit in back of my van. _________________
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Tram Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 22728 Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
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notchback wrote: |
George is making me feel bad about cutting cars up. Maybe if he'd get a house with more property I could bring complete cars over to him instead of what will fit in back of my van. |
_________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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jimmynotch Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2003 Posts: 2901 Location: sacramento
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The one thing about Type 3s in general, but the early one in specific is that because they were never imported here till '66(to the States), they were a unique thing to have.... Still are. Hence their niche desirability. But that is a really short amount of time coupled with several design changes in that short time to have a strong replacement parts market. It seems that over in Europe they blended with all the othe sub-compact-two-door cars driving around.... Volvo, BMW, Fiat, Alfa, etc. Every manufacturer had a notchback and a little funky wagon. From the beginning of their production in '61-62, Type 3s were just another face in the crowd. Then, when they appeared here, the bus and beetle were omnipresent and already gaining cult status and becoming cultural icons. The Type 3, though a huge improvement over what VW had in the US market, was competing with Datsuns 510 & 710 and Toyota's similarly modeled ilk that were faster, more robustly built, probably safer yaddy yaddy yah.
We as a community could start by identifying and maintaining the few remaining original unrestored (or concourse resto) cars that are out there and work to keep them in the hands of people that will realize what they have. As I said before, if/when I sell my notch, it will not go to just anyone. Beat as it is from it being a high mile daily driver, it is complete and save for electricals and the lug pattern, original. Candidate for resto? probably not. Hacked into and f'ed up by someone who wants a lowrider? No F'ing way.
There are fewer and fewer cars like mine that are actual daily drivien suvivors than there are like Jason's and the 1500Club gems, whose cars trade hands among collectors and those who appreciate them but dont get hacked up. Then think about all the cars out there that do get cut up because they arent "nice" enough and someone wants a narrowed beam and air ride and a neon friggin paint job etc etc etc. Not that I care. Its your car, do what you want.
Oh.... and yes. I would take an early fasty. I am attracted to them more than those horrible looking T34s as of late. And no fever or strange illness to speak of. _________________ Jim in Sacto -
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1971 Type 2 Double Cab --"George"
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supaninja Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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Bobnotch wrote: |
notchboy wrote: |
This is all well and good and I commend you guys for wanting something bigger to happen. Its truly a needed source to have kinda like a Ratwell site for T3s I think-with focus on what it was and what is used today kinda thing.
The information Ive gathered and the parts and cars Ive owned are fuel for the passion that must be shared. I agree. But people please dont cut of your nose to spite your face. Most of the information you seek is here on this site thanks to Everett, as well as all us users that have inputted coutless hours. How many of you know that Im the 12th highest photo contributor here to the samba? Thats 4123 pics as of today. Id like to think that most of them are solid worth wile shots of art or information. And thats a shit load of time I should be spending on my own site and members for sure.
So whos going to do it? Im into busses now so tag Im not it
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Well, I've been trying to document some stuff in both of my builds. I-we (Sue and I) have been adding to our pic total for a while now. Granted my "late" Notch isn't 100% correct, but then it did have 1 foot in the grave, and the other on a bananna peel. It was very close to getting crushed. I didn't think Neil would cut up a Square to give me the parts I needed to rebuild it, but he did. I don't have the "parts networking" like others, and since I'm in the mid west (salt belt) I don't even have any junk yards to hunt for parts, due to most of these cars rusting away and getting crushed. I do use the Samba classifieds though, as they're a great source for good used parts. But, I still remember the days of "pre-internet", and having a stack of different catalogs trying to find out who carries what. Back in the day, WCM, Bill and Steve's, and Rocky Mountain MotorWorks were the "good" places to get stuff, then came the VW lawyer crack down, and we (the t-3 people) lost a good source for parts.
However, in dealing with this T-34, I've learned from others, especially about how unique these cars are, and how hard it really is to find parts (correct or not ), as some of the stuff just isn't around, or parts were upgraded over the years, and nobody has the "old style" available.
Tram and I have been discussing an issue with some window seals that I purchased. It seems that the "new " seals are the "upgraded" version, but my car was designed for the "early" style, and the 2 are incompatable. Oh, sure they'll go on and fit the opening, but they won't seal, wont let you roll up the window (with the door closed), and cause the door glass to ride over the top of the seal. To me, these "new" seals are junk, as I can't use them. Tram and I are bouncing ideas back and forth trying to find an alternative solution. It might not rain in Texas, but we sure as hell get a bunch of rain around here (just like the PNW gets), and having seals that don't seal are worthless. Like I mentioned in my previous post, we went to the MI Vintage festival today, and I took pics of the different seals, so I could do some comparisons. I've still go to go thru them though.
Or you have the other main "bitch" that I have, and it's rear early (up to 69) tail light housing to body seals, that won't last for more than 6 months. Come on, it's not like I live in the desert or something. It also doesn't matter who you get them from either, as they're all the same quality (or is it a lack of quality). |
I am still bitter about VWoA's lawyer-fest, I refuse to own anything VW from 98 on...if I have a choice I won't even ride in one.
Well I'm a low rider hack, hehe, I got a parts notch for my playground. There are better people then myself to carry on the tradition by building and maintaining pure factory examples. I'll do what I can to help, unfortunately that is not much. _________________ http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/chucky1974/ninja.gif
Nick
Megasquirted Type 4 powered Notch http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=427890&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
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