Fuel sender access hole, to do or not to do? |
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 6:27 am Post subject: |
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Kirk wrote: |
That is nice. Wish the PO had done mine that way.
Cleaning that up is one of my long list projects. |
Get a few more rolls of duct tape and you can complete the redo of your interior. |
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16971 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 6:28 am Post subject: |
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Kirk wrote: |
That is nice. Wish the PO had done mine that way.
Cleaning that up is one of my long list projects. |
This illustrates my point very well. Does that look like a proper vapor barrier to you guys? There's a reason that the fuel tank area is sealed. _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 6:57 am Post subject: |
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aeromech wrote: |
This illustrates my point very well. Does that look like a proper vapor barrier to you guys? There's a reason that the fuel tank area is sealed. |
Yes, but a quick trip to the junk yard, sawzall in hand can quickly make this
look like this
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busman78 Samba Member
Joined: August 17, 2004 Posts: 4524 Location: Oklahoma City, OK
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 8:56 am Post subject: |
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So Aeromech, being the duct tape illustrates a hack job by your standards then I can assume all the rest that have been pictured meet your high standards for non hack jobs? |
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16971 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 9:14 am Post subject: |
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busman78 wrote: |
So Aeromech, being the duct tape illustrates a hack job by your standards then I can assume all the rest that have been pictured meet your high standards for non hack jobs? |
I'm not a VW purist by any means and I have done my share of cutting. When I do I try to do a clean job I can be proud of. Duct tape is not what I would consider a permanent repair. The orange panel in the pictures does look to me like a clean job as well as a permanent repair. That said, in order to get the metal for that repair the owner must have had to find a donar bus. That requires some effort, much more than a roll of duct tape from Home Depot. He obviously takes great pride in his bus as well as the work he performs on it.
So, from your question to me I have to assume that your idea of a hack job differs from mine, is that right? _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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Kirk Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 9:19 am Post subject: |
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Wildthings wrote: |
aeromech wrote: |
This illustrates my point very well. Does that look like a proper vapor barrier to you guys? There's a reason that the fuel tank area is sealed. |
Yes, but a quick trip to the junk yard, sawzall in hand can quickly make this
look like this
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Exactly my plan. I shall document it when I do for all to see. What should you use under that metal lip to seal the fumes off? _________________ MAKE FORUMS GREAT AGAIN
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aeromech Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 9:37 am Post subject: |
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What should you use under that metal lip to seal the fumes off?
Well that depends on if you plan to reopen it some time down the road. If not, we used a product in aviation fuel tanks called PRC. It is a two part rtv like material you can seal this with and is made for this type of application. Getting it apart later on would destroy the new panel unless used very sparingly.
PR-1776 Low Weight Fuel Tank Sealant
Description
PR-1776M Class B is a low density, high temperature aircraft integral fuel tank sealant. It has a service temperature range from -65°F (-54°C) to 250°F (121°C), with intermittent excursions up to 360°F (182°C). This material is designed for fillet sealing of fuel tanks and other aircraft fuselage sealing applications. It offers as much as a twenty percent weight savings, per unit volume, over traditional sealants used for these purposes. The cured sealant maintains excellent elastomeric properties after prolonged exposure to aircraft fuels both jet fuel and aviation gas, and will resist limited contact to diphosphate ester based hydraulic fluids.
If you want the panel to be easily removable but still seal I guess you'd have to find some kind of rubber edge material. Think of something like fuel line sliced down the center and slid over the lip. Maybe held in place with weatherstrip adheasive. _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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busman78 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 10:16 am Post subject: |
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3M 08500 Body Sealant will do the sealing, does not harden completely, removal is easy, paintable. Plus if your vapor lines are good, filler neck is good, sender seal good there should be no fumes at all. If you are smelling fuel then there are other things needing a little attention. |
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rubbachicken Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2004 Posts: 3058 Location: socal
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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if you are going to do it do it right
duck tape is for ducks, the orange cover is the way to go
i voted cut it, but do it right, OK the motor is out now, if it all goes back together, then fails later, that would suck _________________ lucy our westy
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Lettuce Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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you guys are worried about fumes entering the bus... there should be no fumes coming from the tank |
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16971 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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Lettuce wrote: |
you guys are worried about fumes entering the bus... there should be no fumes coming from the tank |
Accidents happen. _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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kruton Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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We have reached 50/50 in the poll and in the beginning it was - dont do it, until pictures were posted of good cut and repair jobs now it seems that the best decision would go ahead and make the cut but to cover it very professionally while the motor is already out. Thanks for all the help samba members!
Aeromech talked me into redo-ing my tank too.. So my project list just got longer- thanks _________________ http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=460364
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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Kirk wrote: |
What should you use under that metal lip to seal the fumes off? |
Just use high temp silicone. It will hold up long enough for you to get out of the cab if you get a fire going back there. The cover will still be removable, though it will take some prying. |
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FlowerPowered Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2005 Posts: 389 Location: Montana
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Wildthings wrote: |
Kirk wrote: |
What should you use under that metal lip to seal the fumes off? |
Just use high temp silicone. It will hold up long enough for you to get out of the cab if you get a fire going back there. The cover will still be removable, though it will take some prying. |
Heavily wax the edges of the hole, apply the RTV to the cover and install. It should remove easily. _________________ 76 Westy "Sunset" |
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Lettuce Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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aeromech wrote: |
Lettuce wrote: |
you guys are worried about fumes entering the bus... there should be no fumes coming from the tank |
Accidents happen. |
Sealing the hole is an accident. If something is leaking I want a chance to catch it. |
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FlowerPowered Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2005 Posts: 389 Location: Montana
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 7:41 am Post subject: |
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Lettuce wrote: |
aeromech wrote: |
Lettuce wrote: |
you guys are worried about fumes entering the bus... there should be no fumes coming from the tank |
Accidents happen. |
Sealing the hole is an accident. If something is leaking I want a chance to catch it. |
How would you know? That's one of the pre-existing aromas that makes an ACVW so special, gas fumes... _________________ 76 Westy "Sunset" |
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rubbachicken Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 11:18 am Post subject: |
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aeromech wrote: |
Lettuce wrote: |
you guys are worried about fumes entering the bus... there should be no fumes coming from the tank |
Accidents happen. |
people also happen, ignore the cut in the tank, this bay tank had 5 screw holes in it, from a PO who fitted a home made interior, i guess they only had looooong screws
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 11:30 am Post subject: |
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Don't see how anyone could do that without blowing the tank, the bus, and themselves to high heaven.
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FlowerPowered Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2005 Posts: 389 Location: Montana
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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Bet this guy thought he had a bad fuel float since he never could seem to get a full tank indication...and what's up with that persistant gas smell? _________________ 76 Westy "Sunset" |
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EZ Gruv King of Plaid
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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Nice clean cut though. _________________ Eric
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