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Volktales
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Type 4 motor was the only choice here when new. There are a few 1600's running around that have been imported. I used to own a French spec 1977 kombi with a stock 1600 in it for a while.
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1974 "Restfalia" Camper 2000 cc EFI 2001-
1970 Beetle first car, rotten, yard art 1985-
1966 Sunroof Beetle, restored 1998-
1964 Ghia, ongoing project 2007-
1962 Beetle Beryl,original paint survivor 2012-
1970 Savannah Beige Beetle 2012-
1992 16v GTI, 100% stock 2006-
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ratherb-buggin
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| Stuartzickefoose wrote: |
| there was never a 72 1.6 either...its a 1.7. worth looking into for sure, but i doubt it came with one. |
The M-plate code pulled this:
157 Fuel Injection Engine :
- Engine nr. ED 0000001 -- ED 0025000
- Engine nr. GD 0000001 -- GD 0055800
- Engine nr. GE 0007083 --
- Engine nr. GD 0010984 -- GD 0027786
- Engine nr. GE 0000001 --
- Engine nr. GD 0019172 -- GD 0025723
- Engine nr. GE 0000001 --
251 With 1.7 liter engine (66 bhp) instead of 1.6 liter engine (50 bhp)
251 With 1.8 liter engine (66/70 bhp) instead of 1.6 liter engine (50 bhp)
251 With 2.0 liter engine (70 bhp) instead of 1.6 liter engine (50 bhp)
I'm guessing maybe someone put a 2.0 liter in it, but it has one. |
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busdaddy
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| ratherb-buggin wrote: |
| Stuartzickefoose wrote: |
| there was never a 72 1.6 either...its a 1.7. worth looking into for sure, but i doubt it came with one. |
The M-plate code pulled this:
157 Fuel Injection Engine :
- Engine nr. ED 0000001 -- ED 0025000
- Engine nr. GD 0000001 -- GD 0055800
- Engine nr. GE 0007083 --
- Engine nr. GD 0010984 -- GD 0027786
- Engine nr. GE 0000001 --
- Engine nr. GD 0019172 -- GD 0025723
- Engine nr. GE 0000001 --
251 With 1.7 liter engine (66 bhp) instead of 1.6 liter engine (50 bhp)
251 With 1.8 liter engine (66/70 bhp) instead of 1.6 liter engine (50 bhp)
251 With 2.0 liter engine (70 bhp) instead of 1.6 liter engine (50 bhp)
I'm guessing maybe someone put a 2.0 liter in it, but it has one. |
The code reader apparently doesn't offer all the subscripts that come with codes like that, 251 like many applies to many years and many different engines, it should include something like (* from VIN 21210000-21399900) after each version to indicate the date range that particular version of the code applies to.
Just what reader are you using BTW? because M157 is a smog package and not fuel injection.
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ratherb-buggin
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| busdaddy wrote: |
| ratherb-buggin wrote: |
| Stuartzickefoose wrote: |
| there was never a 72 1.6 either...its a 1.7. worth looking into for sure, but i doubt it came with one. |
The M-plate code pulled this:
157 Fuel Injection Engine :
- Engine nr. ED 0000001 -- ED 0025000
- Engine nr. GD 0000001 -- GD 0055800
- Engine nr. GE 0007083 --
- Engine nr. GD 0010984 -- GD 0027786
- Engine nr. GE 0000001 --
- Engine nr. GD 0019172 -- GD 0025723
- Engine nr. GE 0000001 --
251 With 1.7 liter engine (66 bhp) instead of 1.6 liter engine (50 bhp)
251 With 1.8 liter engine (66/70 bhp) instead of 1.6 liter engine (50 bhp)
251 With 2.0 liter engine (70 bhp) instead of 1.6 liter engine (50 bhp)
I'm guessing maybe someone put a 2.0 liter in it, but it has one. |
The code reader apparently doesn't offer all the subscripts that come with codes like that, 251 like many applies to many years and many different engines, it should include something like (* from VIN 21210000-21399900) after each version to indicate the date range that particular version of the code applies to.
Just what reader are you using BTW? because M157 is a smog package and not fuel injection. |
Hmm... vw-mplate.com is what I used. Do you know of an accurate m-plate decoding guide or website busdaddy? |
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nathansnathan
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The details about m code 157 are on type2.com, there is a link at the bottom of that page where they are broken out by number. It lists the different meanings for it depending on what engine #.
http://www.type2.com/m-codes/t2mcodes.html |
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udidwht
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Wrong! I know you love your bus but to me, and many others, 72 is the BEST year of the baywindow. I also know that others may think it is the WORST year. Personally, I love its uniqueness. It is the last year for the good body style and bumpers and first year of the type IV (a positive to me).
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It was a transisiton year. I had a friend who bought one new. It was in the shop more than he drove it. Do a 1973. You get the safety and the dual carbs plus lower head temps. |
Uhh  , the 72's also came stock with dual carbs. As for head temps the later the year the worse the head temps were (generally speaking). Starting in 73 the smog Nazis became more prevalent and as the models years increased so did the likely hood for higher CHT's.
The 72 had the best look as far as late model buses. You had the early front end with the added new rear end look and the addition of the first year bay with Type-4 engine. It was also the most produced year of all late model buses. As the late model bus years went on their popularity among the US population waned and their production numbers proved that.
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96mm Biral AA P/C's~7.8:1CR
Headflow Masters New AMC 42x36mm heads w/Porsche swivel adjusters
71mm Stroke
73 Web Cam w/Web solids
Dual 40mm IDF Webers - LM-2 - 47.5 idles/125 mains/190 air corr./F11 tubes/28mm Vents - Float height 10.45mm/Drop 32mm
Bosch SVDA w/Pertronix module (7.5 initial 28 total @ 3400rpm)
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udidwht
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| Stuartzickefoose wrote: |
| busdaddy wrote: |
| Stuartzickefoose wrote: |
| there was never a 72 1.6 either... |
Except for the European market, but a 2.0 is definitely odd, look at the plate closer incase you got a number wrong and try a few of the other decode sites. |
true, forgot about the upright being a euro option... |
It wasn't an option. That was it (upright 1.6) as far as the Euro market. No other choice, nadda, zip, nothing...
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1972 Westy Hardtop/Type-4 2056cc
96mm Biral AA P/C's~7.8:1CR
Headflow Masters New AMC 42x36mm heads w/Porsche swivel adjusters
71mm Stroke
73 Web Cam w/Web solids
Dual 40mm IDF Webers - LM-2 - 47.5 idles/125 mains/190 air corr./F11 tubes/28mm Vents - Float height 10.45mm/Drop 32mm
Bosch SVDA w/Pertronix module (7.5 initial 28 total @ 3400rpm)
Bosch W8CC plugs
Pertronix Flamethrower 40K coil
S&S 4-1 w/Walker QP 17862
3 rib 002 Trans
185R14 Hankook tires |
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1967250s
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| Was a T4 ever a Eurupean option or stock in a Bay? |
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udidwht
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| Was a T4 ever a Eurupean option or stock in a Bay? |
See above.
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1972 Westy Hardtop/Type-4 2056cc
96mm Biral AA P/C's~7.8:1CR
Headflow Masters New AMC 42x36mm heads w/Porsche swivel adjusters
71mm Stroke
73 Web Cam w/Web solids
Dual 40mm IDF Webers - LM-2 - 47.5 idles/125 mains/190 air corr./F11 tubes/28mm Vents - Float height 10.45mm/Drop 32mm
Bosch SVDA w/Pertronix module (7.5 initial 28 total @ 3400rpm)
Bosch W8CC plugs
Pertronix Flamethrower 40K coil
S&S 4-1 w/Walker QP 17862
3 rib 002 Trans
185R14 Hankook tires |
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Volktales
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Type 4 engines were certainly available in some European markets. Unlike the Canadian and American spec fuel injected versions, they came with dual carbs, even on the 2 litre models. Not sure if available in all European countries, but definitely available in Germany. I have worked on several of these over the years. I am not sure about 1972 models specifically however...
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1970 Beetle first car, rotten, yard art 1985-
1966 Sunroof Beetle, restored 1998-
1964 Ghia, ongoing project 2007-
1962 Beetle Beryl,original paint survivor 2012-
1970 Savannah Beige Beetle 2012-
1992 16v GTI, 100% stock 2006-
1991 "Terseo", wife's old daily 1995-
1969 Chevrolet CST/10 (family owned since new)
1965 Gold Corvair Monza 2021-
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udidwht
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| Type 4 engines were certainly available in some European markets. Unlike the Canadian and American spec fuel injected versions, they came with dual carbs, even on the 2 litre models. Not sure if available in all European countries, but definitely available in Germany. I have worked on several of these over the years. I am not sure about 1972 models specifically however... |
Not that I recall. They (T-4 engine) were however standard in the Canadian-US market.
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1972 Westy Hardtop/Type-4 2056cc
96mm Biral AA P/C's~7.8:1CR
Headflow Masters New AMC 42x36mm heads w/Porsche swivel adjusters
71mm Stroke
73 Web Cam w/Web solids
Dual 40mm IDF Webers - LM-2 - 47.5 idles/125 mains/190 air corr./F11 tubes/28mm Vents - Float height 10.45mm/Drop 32mm
Bosch SVDA w/Pertronix module (7.5 initial 28 total @ 3400rpm)
Bosch W8CC plugs
Pertronix Flamethrower 40K coil
S&S 4-1 w/Walker QP 17862
3 rib 002 Trans
185R14 Hankook tires |
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busdaddy
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| Volktales wrote: |
| Type 4 engines were certainly available in some European markets. Unlike the Canadian and American spec fuel injected versions, they came with dual carbs, even on the 2 litre models. Not sure if available in all European countries, but definitely available in Germany. I have worked on several of these over the years. I am not sure about 1972 models specifically however... |
Not that I recall. They (T-4 engine) were however standard in the Canadian-US market. |
They were optional in almost all markets, I've seen them in UK, German and Sweden delivered buses often and the odd one in other countries, license fees were based on engine displacement in many European countries so many owners opted for the 1600 to keep costs low.
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1967250s
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| Of course, I remember now in many European countries, you are taxed on the size of your motor. |
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1967250s
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| What Carbs were used on the euro 2 liter? Has anyone ever put on pdsit's 32/34's on a 2L? If so, how did it run? |
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tootype2crazy
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Many years ago my first bus was a 72 westy. It was a rust bucket basket case. I had it totally restored at a body shop and then I did the interior and engine. I loved that bus for the solid build quality and looks, but disliked it for the gearing in the trans and the lack of easy access to the engine. The late ones are definitely built more cheaply but I do feel a little more safe in them in the event of a crash. That bus eventually succumbed to a power line and pole falling on it in a big wind storm and went to the highway in the sky.
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Volktales
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Having owned a '72, '74, and a '77 Westfalia, without question the '72 had the best build quality. VW was really cost cutting in the '70s and it shows. Little things include lack of paint quality in hidden areas, removing the glass lens from the extra spot in the gauge cluster, changing the heater control labels to allow only one cheapo bulb, installing the dashboard side trim plates with 2 screws instead of 3, cheapo plastic engine compartment lid prop slides instead of nice rollers, etc, etc. The late 2 litre buses with injection are the nicest to drive however...
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1970 Beetle first car, rotten, yard art 1985-
1966 Sunroof Beetle, restored 1998-
1964 Ghia, ongoing project 2007-
1962 Beetle Beryl,original paint survivor 2012-
1970 Savannah Beige Beetle 2012-
1992 16v GTI, 100% stock 2006-
1991 "Terseo", wife's old daily 1995-
1969 Chevrolet CST/10 (family owned since new)
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Something different about the rear brakes? I'm about to do this job soon.
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taylorb1
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So my 72 had high blinkers. But so signes of welding on a new nose. Whats up with that?!?!
It was made in june a believe. Out of North Carolina
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