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memphisthing73 Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2010 Posts: 61 Location: Memphis, TN
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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Miguelittle wrote: |
So if my car has chasis number 183 3024 191 and my engine is AM 013099 I can assume it is the original engine and it was built in September 1973? |
1833024046 and AM 013459 here. We are close also! _________________ '72 Beetle
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joescoolcustoms Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2006 Posts: 9054 Location: West By God Virginia
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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SilverThing wrote: |
I don't think this information is entirely correct, but I have a factory exchange catalog dated 11/1980 that lists the AM engine for the 181. I apologize about the formatting (not sure how to get it to display this list the way I want).
1. March 1973, 183 2348 525, AM 000 001
31. May 1973, 183 2883 925, AM 007 813
31. July 1973, 183 3021 910, AM 010 964
30. September 1973, 183 3025 058, AM 011 820
1. October 1973, 184 2000 001, AM 011 821
7. January 1974, 184 2219 789, AM 016 001
30. September 1974, 184 2818 498, AM 029 100
1. October 1974,
I don't believe the list is correct because my car's door jam sticker says it was manufactured 08/73, has chassis number 183 2943 xxx, and engine AM 007 757 (my case wasn't even cast until the third shift of the 29th of May in 1973). We've had previous discussions on engines and manufacture dates (discussing I.O. numbers, but regardless). Other engine manufacture dates have included: 05/73 AM 003 785 (thinghunter) and 08/73 AM 008 845 (505-73Thing). |
Wow! Neat thread.
Mine is a early production model in March '73, chassis 183 2493 0XX with engine number AM 000 653. _________________ Bad News Racing 2018 NORRA 1000 3rd in Class
Best Day Ever Racing 2022 NORRA 1000 2nd in Class and first All Female team to complete the race
Everyone is gifted. Some just do not open the package.
Looks like it was painted with a live chicken,polished with a brick and buffed with a pine cone |
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kubelmann Samba Member
Joined: April 13, 2003 Posts: 3266
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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I currently have three Things on hand. Two 73s and one 74
I have the original engines and transmissions for both 73s
The 74 has a AE bug engine with its original trans. I will round up engine/VIN number for comparison. Along with a large number of other Bus parts, the US 73/74 Thing's AM case is based on the early upright Bay Bus. What you have is an early Bay engine case stamped with "AM" |
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BUGTHUG Samba's Rented Mule
Joined: April 22, 2007 Posts: 833 Location: KANSAS toto's fire hydrant
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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OK I'm getting a little confused on this THING. The engine number says B6161450, the VIN is 1842624986 made 8/74. Now is this a real Acapulco?
The guy has a soft top but said he bought a new black top not the blue/white stripe cause he thought it looked better some people's kids??
I can't find anything on a "B" motor? anyone know whats going on here? _________________ I know you would understand what I'm saying if you could just see my HANDS
Even the middle of the week says W T F
1963 15 window bus
1966 VW bug
1966 21 window micro bus
1969 Dune Buggy
1965 VW bug
1974 VW bug
1972 Kelmark, VW drive line
1948 Chevrolet Hearse |
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GI Joe Samba Member
Joined: April 28, 2005 Posts: 2012 Location: Athens, TN
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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BUGTHUG wrote: |
OK I'm getting a little confused on this THING. The engine number says B6161450, the VIN is 1842624986 made 8/74. Now is this a real Acapulco?
The guy has a soft top but said he bought a new black top not the blue/white stripe cause he thought it looked better |
To me, his comment says, "I bought an acupulco top frame without canvas and got the cheapest cover I could find"..
BUGTHUG wrote: |
I can't find anything on a "B" motor? anyone know whats going on here? |
Aftermarket case maybe??? From the "Aculpolco" Thing this guy bought with either No engine, or a blown engine...
Not sure if/how the aftermarket cases are stamped.. Total speculation on my part! LOL... _________________ '74 Thing, "Our Thing"....
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4...p;start=60
'71 Beetle RPU
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8080337#8080337
www.NLEOMF.com
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BUGTHUG Samba's Rented Mule
Joined: April 22, 2007 Posts: 833 Location: KANSAS toto's fire hydrant
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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I need to go look at it again, I did crawl underneath and the floor looks like it has no rust and no replacement panels, but the top is black, and its been repainted the same color, but the OD is showing 49k and the title says samething I got some red flags going up _________________ I know you would understand what I'm saying if you could just see my HANDS
Even the middle of the week says W T F
1963 15 window bus
1966 VW bug
1966 21 window micro bus
1969 Dune Buggy
1965 VW bug
1974 VW bug
1972 Kelmark, VW drive line
1948 Chevrolet Hearse |
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Semper_Dad Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2005 Posts: 3506 Location: Indiana
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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In my opinion it's the seller's duty to prove it's an Acapulco if he asking a premium for that aspect. Otherwise, treat it as a generic 74 with a surrey top.
(Of course it's a whole different story if the seller isn't aware that's it's a genuine Acapulco and he's selling as a regular 74 )
Engine is not original. deduct accordingly. _________________ Walküre Restoration Thread: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=737492 |
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///Mink Samba Member
Joined: May 03, 2000 Posts: 5051 Location: Fair Oaks, CA
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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BUGTHUG wrote: |
Now is this a real Acapulco?
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I think only Acapulcos had the threaded holes in the bottom of the rockers for the running boards to mount. A standard Thing will have the holes but without the threaded insert.
Acapulcos should also have holes in the bottoms of the fenders for the same reason (like a Bug), but fenders are easily changed. |
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joescoolcustoms Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2006 Posts: 9054 Location: West By God Virginia
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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A "B" case came out in 1967 and was used in a Bus. If it is stock, untouched, it could be either a 1500 or a 1600 single port, single relief. _________________ Bad News Racing 2018 NORRA 1000 3rd in Class
Best Day Ever Racing 2022 NORRA 1000 2nd in Class and first All Female team to complete the race
Everyone is gifted. Some just do not open the package.
Looks like it was painted with a live chicken,polished with a brick and buffed with a pine cone |
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BUGTHUG Samba's Rented Mule
Joined: April 22, 2007 Posts: 833 Location: KANSAS toto's fire hydrant
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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joescoolcustoms wrote: |
A "B" case came out in 1967 and was used in a Bus. If it is stock, untouched, it could be either a 1500 or a 1600 single port, single relief. |
Thanks joe coolcustoms, I came across some information that it could be a july 69-or -70 1600, with 47bhp. Now I'm curious why its in this Thing, since the OD has 45k original mileage. The PO says its was in there where he bought it in 1984. I guess its a good motor he has dual carbs on it. _________________ I know you would understand what I'm saying if you could just see my HANDS
Even the middle of the week says W T F
1963 15 window bus
1966 VW bug
1966 21 window micro bus
1969 Dune Buggy
1965 VW bug
1974 VW bug
1972 Kelmark, VW drive line
1948 Chevrolet Hearse |
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kubelmann Samba Member
Joined: April 13, 2003 Posts: 3266
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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Dual carbs are usually put on a larger than stock engine. Meaning that the original engine came out of the car at some point. sometimes I build an engine remove the running original and set it aside unmolested and install the new higher performance engine. |
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CraigInPA Samba Member
Joined: March 09, 2011 Posts: 212 Location: Norristown, PA
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:43 am Post subject: |
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GI Joe wrote: |
BUGTHUG wrote: |
The guy has a soft top but said he bought a new black top not the blue/white stripe cause he thought it looked better |
To me, his comment says, "I bought an acupulco top frame without canvas and got the cheapest cover I could find"..
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I suspect it's not even an acapulco surrey frame. He's probably talking about the regular soft top frame with a black top. |
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Semper_Dad Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2005 Posts: 3506 Location: Indiana
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:24 am Post subject: |
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Ok, looks like this thread took a turn and I'm guilty of being behind the wheel.
OP wanted info on and AM engine
Thread is now discussing validity of a specific Acapulco car. There is now a different thread specifically discussing the validity of this car here; http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=514648
Lets redirect the validity questions there so this thread will start making sense. This will please the Samba gods and all will be well with the world _________________ Walküre Restoration Thread: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=737492 |
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flex71 Samba Member
Joined: September 05, 2010 Posts: 99 Location: mi
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Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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is the AM case in the thing worth more? should it be kept original, or AE case in a thing ok? going to 1915. |
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kubelmann Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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When I built the high compression 1915 for my off road Thing, I saved the still running original AM engine and built the replacement engine from a new AS-41 case. I have two AM cases to be built as 1776 with 110 cam big oil pump and a single 32 ndix zenith carb. Generally Thing folks consider a good rebuildable AM case with guts to be worth around $300 |
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joescoolcustoms Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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IMO, I would set aside the AM engine and use a beetle engine for a 1915. A whole bunch less AM cases out there than a AE beetle case. _________________ Bad News Racing 2018 NORRA 1000 3rd in Class
Best Day Ever Racing 2022 NORRA 1000 2nd in Class and first All Female team to complete the race
Everyone is gifted. Some just do not open the package.
Looks like it was painted with a live chicken,polished with a brick and buffed with a pine cone |
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flex71 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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thanks the AM case will be saved for what who knows,, the 1915 form the AE case will be built. |
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kubelmann Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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Good idea. That choice agrees with the general consensus among Thing lovers. |
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SteveAhnin Samba Member
Joined: September 29, 2015 Posts: 22 Location: SF, CA
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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hi all,
just curious. was researching my thing more and figured to add on to this thread rather than start a new.
my chassis is 1832755xxxE so thats between March and May 1973? and the E?
my motor is AH which sounds like someone slapped a Type 1 in there?
the trans (couldnt find any info as far as numbers) is is also AH
little sad wish i had an original motor. |
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rrankin Samba Member
Joined: November 10, 2004 Posts: 287 Location: Austin Texas
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:38 am Post subject: |
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I have an AH case.... but I have the skid plate installed... is this odd? _________________ '74 Thing [Fritz]
Austin, TX |
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