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bigbulli Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:02 am Post subject: Speedometer pod electrical question |
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Just finishing the wiring and may have a switch problem, Is the lighting switch on the dash pod two position' i.e. from off - 1st position, side lights - 2nd position, main beam?
Thanks
Rich _________________ 1954 Barndoor
1955 Oval
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Scotty Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:53 am Post subject: |
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To the left is side lights, to the right is main beam _________________
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bigbulli Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:36 am Post subject: |
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Many thanks Scotty! Fingers crossed it works on my ratty switches! _________________ 1954 Barndoor
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Scotty Samba Member
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bigbulli Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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Scotty wrote: |
You really should follow ken's dash pod switch re-furb guide found a third of the way down |
Awsome, thanks scotty, my switch worked as you described but definately could do with rebuilding - dirty contacts
OK more questions! Help very much appreciated...
Is the starter motor button always live? i.e. even if the ingnition is not turned on when pressed the starter turns over - mine does, so what does the ignition actually do when turned on?
Is the coil wire always live? Mine seems to be (I have no engine in but tested at the rear end its live). _________________ 1954 Barndoor
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Rusting Hulk Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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I dont think the coil wire should be live with the ignition off, the starter button will work with the ignition off though....well mine does.
The starter switch takes its power from the light switch, via fuse 1, which in turn is connected to the battery via the starter solenoid, turning the switch sends power to the coil wire via fuse 2
Please correct me if i'm wrong, all this applies to a 54/55 stock wiring circuit
Have you got a wiring diagram Rich ? _________________ 64 356 C Coupe |
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EverettB Administrator
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bigbulli Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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many thanks chaps, all working now _________________ 1954 Barndoor
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bigbulli Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:54 am Post subject: |
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Last question...hopefully....Are the fuses all white 8 amp? or is the red 16 amp used on fuse 1 and 2? _________________ 1954 Barndoor
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EverettB Administrator
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bigbulli Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:51 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Everett! _________________ 1954 Barndoor
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buzz n maz Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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following up on what rich has said, and studying the wiring diagram whilst sorting out rich's bus..... can the live wire for the starter be moved to the other side of the ignition switch??? to disable the starter button when the ignition (key) is off?
or is that a deff.. no! my only concern with this (if i have worked it out right) is can the original ignition (key) switch take 12v through it??
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EverettB Administrator
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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I don't see why not, although that might be more wear on the ignition switch contacts if they are not used to that much load going through it.
6v vs. 12v shouldn't matter since it's just a set of contacts.
I've never accidentally pressed the starter button, if that is a concern.
You have to push it in pretty far to get it to work. _________________ How to Post Photos
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buzz n maz Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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thanks everett, i was just thinkin if my kids where playing around in the front really..... (they are good kids.... honestly!!)
cheers again buzz |
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Scotty Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:56 am Post subject: |
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You have to leave it as it should be for those comedy moments when you're wondering why your bus won't start...... _________________
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RockStock Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2023 1:33 am Post subject: Re: Speedometer pod electrical question |
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Topical thread for me, as during wiring up my 55 I wasn’t expecting the starter button to function without the ignition being on. And good to know, for the lights switch, left is sidelights, right is headlights. For the wiper switch, right is the wipers…is left for the (rear) interior light?
My main question though is does anyone have a slightly later wiring diagram that shows the pod version with the integral fuse attached to the ignition bakelite housing?
What wires should connect to screw terminals A and B?
Are A and B both classed as Terminal 15 (as B doesn’t have a number embossed alongside it)?
(I’m thinking it should just be the thin black wire that goes to the top of fuse 5/& on to Coil 15…and that I could connect it to either A or B)
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The only diagram I have seen is the Jan 54 one - without this fuse:
I wonder if the Intergral Fuse Pod a (late) Barndoor-only part, as even Jan 54 is well after Zwitters. _________________ -StockRocks- |
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EverettB Administrator
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2023 12:42 pm Post subject: Re: Speedometer pod electrical question |
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Yes, left on the "wiper" knob is the rear interior light.
My '55 23-Window has the black coil wire connected to "B".
There is nothing on A.
Is this correct and original? I don't know.
My '55 Kombi had the original black pod face but it didn't have the fuse set up.
2 pod suppliers?
Or is the fuse version for Deluxes or Passenger models only? Again, I don't know. _________________ How to Post Photos
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RockStock Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:00 am Post subject: Re: Speedometer pod electrical question |
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Thank you Everett, very helpful.
I predominantly used your pictures of your pod underside to help me wire mine, and have now tweaked A and B - so thank you.
Yes, maybe two pod suppliers.
It’s really surprised me how virtually all the electrics function without the key even being inserted. I went to bed thinking I’d wired something incorrectly - cue sleepless night, John Muir style!
And as a sidenote, just how damn fiddly is it to fit the pod & connect/adjust the fragile wiring! And that’s when it’s all clean, unseized and knowing where all the wires go.
Would be nice to find a wiring diagram with the fuse set-up. _________________ -StockRocks- |
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DSweinhagen Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:38 am Post subject: Re: Speedometer pod electrical question |
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I always thought the fused pod was a replacement part. I think the only ones I've seen are usually NOS and I don't think I've ever had experience with seeing one in a car. It's possible it's real late, like '55 only? _________________ David S |
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RockStock Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:01 am Post subject: Re: Speedometer pod electrical question |
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Maybe.
I’ve noticed small differences on the later clock and emblem pods (compared to early), and these details match the fused pod. _________________ -StockRocks- |
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