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57baja
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 Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:02 pm Post subject: Cutting up another T3... Sorry guys! The Phone Dial Phasty |
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| notchback wrote: |
| It's a fasty. It's supposed to be cut up. |
| SamSmith wrote: |
| When i found this, and looked through the first few posts, i was thinking "Oh no what are they doing to that poor thing!?" but once i saw how great a job you did on your other build and how youre doing on this one i quickly changed mt mind! |
| VWporscheGT3 wrote: |
its a fastback so they wont care..... but i do.... death to you!!!!  |
This is not for the "Type 3 faint of heart" folks, but I'm going to post it anyways. Yes, I did cut up a fairly decent '71 Squareback and transformed it into the "Baja Squared" project. After lots of work, we made a pretty nice off-road car from a pile of rubble that was headed for the junk yard. I got there and rescued it before the towing service arrived from the local dismantler. In some eyes, I'm a hero. In others, I'm a villain. For the most part, however, the folks from this Forum were very supporting throughout the build, once people realized that I was a "hacker", but not really a "hack".
So....
I figured I'd post the next build. We're going to build a Pro-Stock drag car from a 1969 Sunroof Fastback. The car is (was) really straight, my personal favorite year for a Type 3, and was sitting outside in the desert, waiting for Mother Nature to total it. I bought the car for exactly one dollar after meeting the owner at the VW Classic a week or so ago. No lie. I also bought the Type 3 one-piece fiberglass front end that you probably saw in the swap meet area if you went, and it was originally destined to be a part of the Baja Squareback, but I just couldn't pass up on a sunroof Fasty for a buck, so it's going on that instead.
The plan for this car: We're building a car and an engine in hopes to eventually try to break the Kadron World Record in the quarter mile, which is 11.33 seconds, held by Joel Mohr. I met Joel (who owns Mohr Performance) at the Classic also, and he has agreed to help us break his own record. We're going to do our best to power this car with FOUR modified Kadron carburetors, one for each cylinder. I sent the engine case out for all the cool things to strengthen it: shuffle pins, welded behind #3, etc. For now, we're preliminarily going to run this on a Type 3 configured engine. Yes, the carbs will not fit under the deck lid. It'll be cut up anyway, but heck... Dare to be different, right?
I know, I know. We may not be able to keep the cooling fan from breaking, but I have a few extras of those. We'll see what happens. It's all for fun anyways. If it doesn't work, we will have had fun trying. We'll just keep tweaking things and enjoying the car for what it is.
As money allows, we'll be ordering a crankshaft, cam, and all the internals to build a 2332cc for it to test with. The SoCal Bajas guys are all excited about coming over and building a roll cage, etc. We're bouncing the idea off a few other shops to help sponsor the car with a cool paint job, parts, etc.
We'll start here and see where this thread (and project) ends up after a few months.
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I shot a little "porn for VW hillbillies" video that's actually kind of funny. This would be a good place to start....
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vlad01
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| what year is it? |
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OhHerrooo
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vlad01
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| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| are the front box sections any good? the re-enforcements boxes that is. |
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SamSmith
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:43 am Post subject: |
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TommyBoyGomes
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:47 am Post subject: |
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As you probably know, you'll have to find a non-stock way to mount the engine to the frame. The stock engine mounting setup on IRS cars, while great for everyday driving, is too mushy for dragging.
Good luck!
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supaninja
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Notched
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:09 am Post subject: |
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Awesome! The Type 3 fan is going to be an issue with high RPMs... Why not a Type 1 set up?
Looking forward to this!!
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57baja
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks guys.
Tommy... We put a 002 bus trans in the Baja Squared project. I had to fabricate a special mount for it, but it ended up working great. For the drag car, we're probably going to go with a 091 bus tranny and see how it holds up... at least for now. We haven't gotten it all figured out quite yet. Once we get all the pieces, we'll get it hung. We'll likely modify the rear mounts again, fabricate a hanger system from the top middle, and use some sort of modification of the rear stock hanger system. I may check with Anthony about the solid mount system, ninja. Maybe that's at least some of the equation.
As to why a Type 3 engine configuration? I dunno. Probably because it's just different. I know I just can't stand seeing a kick ass notchback driving around the street, then the guy jumps up and lifts the deck lid, only to see a Type 1 engine in it.
Puke!
I'm far from a purist, as you can probably tell, but it just seems to me that the Type 3 car should be represented by a Type 3 engine.
Yeah.
I know it's a bad idea. How bad? I dunno. We may end up with a T1 in it eventually. We're going to cut the heck out of the rear hatch area. Why not toy around with a Type 3 engine to start? This is supposed to be a fun project anyway. Besides that, on the practical side, it might just be easier to try and fit all four of these carburetors on if we're not trying to avoid hitting a fan shroud. It's going to be interesting linkage, to say the least.
I ordered the 84mm crankshaft today. A little at a time we'll get there.
I'll shoot some more video in a couple days, and try to video diary this whole build. I cut that battery tray section out of the pan and welded in a new tray. I also cut the rear seat support out of it and ground everything flush. I scraped all the insulation off the pan and tunnel, and removed about 50 lbs of other junk we'll never need again. Got to lighten this car.
Keep an eye on the Classifieds if you need some cool straight parts. There are some good ones coming out of this build!
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57baja
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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Oh... check out these babies:
It's a long story, but I always threatened to buy Phone Dials and put them on a car. All the guys in the shop here hate 'em! I found a nice pair at the swap meet and bought 'em. I sent them out to a buddy's shop to be stripped and polished, just for kicks.
Now they're the "cat's ass" of wheels! Who'd have figured?
This is part of the original "Phone Dial Phasty" concept. The wheels actually came before the fiberglass front end, which came before the car. I figured since it was such a new build, I'd catch everyone up on the whole concept from the beginning.
Here's a basic concept of how the car may look, all said and done:
It's still early in the game. We'll see how it shakes out.
More VW porn to come soon.....
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vlad01
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:01 am Post subject: |
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| are the front box sections any good? the re-enforcements boxes that is. |
so where are my box sections? |
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ataraxia
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| 57baja wrote: |
Oh... check out these babies:
It's a long story, but I always threatened to buy Phone Dials and put them on a car. All the guys in the shop here hate 'em! I found a nice pair at the swap meet and bought 'em. I sent them out to a buddy's shop to be stripped and polished, just for kicks.
Now they're the "cat's ass" of wheels! Who'd have figured?
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I agree with the guys in your shop...they are ugly wheels and you now have 20 'cat asses' on your car-5 per wheel.
The project, on the other hand, looks pretty interesting!
Keep us posted! |
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57baja
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| 57baja wrote: |
Thanks guys.
I'm far from a purist, as you can probably tell, but it just seems to me that the Type 3 car should be represented by a Type 3 engine.
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Can't argue with that.
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I'll shoot some more video in a couple days, and try to video diary this whole build. I cut that battery tray section out of the pan and welded in a new tray. I also cut the rear seat support out of it and ground everything flush. I scraped all the insulation off the pan and tunnel, and removed about 50 lbs of other junk we'll never need again. Got to lighten this car.
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I liked your video. And it sure didn't look like you needed to do much cutting to get the battery tray section out, I think that was already done for you 
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vlad01
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| 57baja wrote: |
| vlad01 wrote: |
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| are the front box sections any good? the re-enforcements boxes that is. |
so where are my box sections? |
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "box sections". Please clarify.
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| ...and you now have 20 'cat asses' on your car... |
lmao! |
This part this guy is repairing.
Pic of one I have which I may use.
I need both sides if they are any good. |
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Soul Built
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Jeff, Jeff, Jeff........what am I gonna do wth you? You KNOW that a Fastback is barely a type 3! (sorry Don).
Jeff= an OVAL WINDOW Baja, Baja Squareback, and now this? No shit you're not a purist
On a serious note, you'd better finish this car because of you don't, you will be considered the hack of all hacks (the guy who messed up an already messed up car)
I'm just kidding on all accounts but I am anxious to see this rolling. You have ample time to have this done by Drag Day. Make it happ'm; Cap'm |
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57baja
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vlad01
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it should? wait your is short nose right?
maybe your right? might not have those.
I am not to sure now as i never had a short nose type 3  |
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