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jazzed
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 Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:49 am Post subject: Full Middle Seat--1966 vs 1967 |
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Any difference between the full middles for a '66 and '67 deluxe? I know that the short middles changed. Is the pictured seat appropriate to a '66?
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Dave24
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:54 am Post subject: |
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It'll fit fine.... correct?, no. The main difference is the outermost leg, near the folder section has that diagonal brace... the proper '66 seat doesn't. If you put on the m/s kick panel the brace won't be seen.  The grab handles are the same '66-67. |
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jeffff
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:57 am Post subject: |
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The armrest is totally different on a 67 seat. IRC, the a 66 seat will NOT fit the mounting brackets on the 67.
Lots of good info here:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=107848&highlight=middle
From the above mentioned thread, courtesy of Lind:
""""'59-'66, the frame and springs are the same.
'52?-'66 the armrest bar is attatched at two points.
'67+, the passenger side leg was located closer to the center giving it a slight overhang.
'67+ diagonal support inside legs.
'67-'68 the armrest bar comes from the back and dead ends. """""
Jazzed, the picture above looks to be the aftermarket seat that was avail from WW. Its based on the 67 (diagonal support leg) yet does not have an armrest.
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jazzed
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:02 am Post subject: |
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Thanks, guys. I know that the '67 short middle armrest is completely different, but the long middle has no armrest attached to the seat, so apart from the diagonal that's going to be covered by a kick panel, I think I'm pretty good to go. |
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jeffff
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:06 am Post subject: |
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| Jazzed, read my first post. I was editing it when you posted. The pic is of an aftermarket seat. |
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Dave24
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:44 am Post subject: |
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| Whether or not the seat in the pic is a WW repro, or an orig., it is a '67 seat. That's what WW repro'd. full seats have no "arm rest" to be different. The '67 seat (pictured) WILL fit in your '66 if it was setup for full length from the factory. |
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jazzed
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:49 am Post subject: |
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| Once again, thanks guys. I did send a deposit for the seat and I'm not certain if the seller even knew it was a repop. For my future edification, how can you tell by just looking at a photo? |
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Dave24
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| I can't tell from a photo... and I'm not sure how Jefff can either, unless he knows the seller. My buddy has a WW in his, another buddy w/ a restored orig., both in '67 buses. I can't tell the difference (other than KNOWING which is which). The handles on the seat in your pics are orig. as they were never repro'd. |
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jazzed
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Dave24 wrote: |
| I can't tell from a photo... and I'm not sure how Jefff can either, unless he knows the seller. My buddy has a WW in his, another buddy w/ a restored orig., both in '67 buses. I can't tell the difference (other than KNOWING which is which). The handles on the seat in your pics are orig. as they were never repro'd. |
I just spoke with the seller and he's informed me that it IS OG and he'll send some additional photos to prove it after he strips the incorrect fabric off it...and yes, while I guess one could pick up used grab bars for a repopped middle, I am inclined to await further proof. Once those covers are off, is there any way to tell the difference, besides that the springs would be funkier? |
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jeffff
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| Dave24 wrote: |
| I can't tell from a photo... and I'm not sure how Jefff can either, unless he knows the seller. My buddy has a WW in his, another buddy w/ a restored orig., both in '67 buses. I can't tell the difference (other than KNOWING which is which). The handles on the seat in your pics are orig. as they were never repro'd. |
I'm just guessing because of the lack of armrests as you mentioned. Doesn't the "filp" part of the seat look funny to you too?
I have a bare WW repop, they are decent enough. I'm going to try a make a armest and use it in my 67.
I could be wrong though, so take my opinion with a grain of salt 
Jazzed....you mention that you are buying the seat. What are you paying for it? |
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jeffff
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Once those covers are off, is there any way to tell the difference, besides that the springs would be funkier? |
If it is a OG seat and someone took off the armrest. There should be evidence that the seat once had an armrest. Very unlikely that someone would take the time to fix the seat properly??
A WW repop is just that a repop. It doesn't look OG. Its nice and shiney black..looks new. There is no "spot" for a armrest. The seat was simply built without one. |
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Dave24
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| jeffff wrote: |
| Dave24 wrote: |
| I can't tell from a photo... and I'm not sure how Jefff can either, unless he knows the seller. My buddy has a WW in his, another buddy w/ a restored orig., both in '67 buses. I can't tell the difference (other than KNOWING which is which). The handles on the seat in your pics are orig. as they were never repro'd. |
I'm just guessing because of the lack of armrests as you mentioned. Doesn't the "filp" part of the seat look funny to you too?
I have a bare WW repop, they are decent enough. I'm going to try a make a armest and use it in my 67.
I could be wrong though, so take my opinion with a grain of salt
Jazzed....you mention that you are buying the seat. What are you paying for it? |
The flipper/foldown looks right to me. I'm confused as to the armrest you keep mentioning... no f/l middle seat has ever come with one. Are you cutting down a WW seat to make a w/t shorty or something?  . The only armrests I've ever seen are the 3 on the panels... 2 rear 1 middle. The WW is an EXACT copy of a '67 full middle seat. theey left off "the armrest" because there never was one on an orig. seat, of any year (except 2/3 w/t seat, which is not the subject here). My '63 middle looks "shiny and new" after restoring it. You are confusing the hell out of me.  |
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jeffff
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I did not know that a full length middle seat for a 67 bus did NOT come with a armrest  Learn something new everyday.
Now after rereading Daves post. NO full length middle seat of any year had an armrest!! Holy shit, how embarassing
Sorry guys. Next time I'll keep me mouth shut and try not to help. |
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Dave24
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No no no... , don't keep your mouth shut, and I wasn't chastising, just thought you had some seat I'd never seen before. Learn something new everyday till you die. That's my motto.  |
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jeffff
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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| No no no... , don't keep your mouth shut, and I wasn't chastising, just thought you had some seat I'd never seen before. Learn something new everyday till you die. That's my motto. |
I know you weren't chastising me. My "try not to help" came across wrong. I should've said that I won't help unless I know what the hell I'm talking about |
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zozo
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Later model (65) 2/3 middle seat
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jazzed
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| And just to add further to the discussion, the '67 short middles with armests did not have the armrest support that hooks into the front of the seat. In that case, the metal ends where the front of the armrest ends. |
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Dave24
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Exactly... thigh-poker instead of knee-knocker. |
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