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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:12 pm    Post subject: 1964 Safari Beige Notchback Preservation Reply with quote

Well, I've been putting it off for a while now, but finally decided to start a build thread for my car. After having this car for 2 years now, I've finally gotten the ball rolling well enough to have a good running project. This is my slow, college student preservation to get this car as factory spec as possible while preserving the character and age it has acquired. Hoping to get advice and knowledge along the way. Motor pics are before and after.
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Side note, the white wheels are hideous and are being painted black soon before getting trim rings.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:02 am    Post subject: Re: 1964 safari beige notchback preservation Reply with quote

Looks like a nice survivor. Cool Take lots of pics as you go thru it.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:15 am    Post subject: Re: 1964 safari beige notchback preservation Reply with quote

Really nice patina/character. I look forward to your build!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:06 pm    Post subject: Re: 1964 safari beige notchback preservation Reply with quote

Didn’t do a lot but got some wheels painted and painted the generator strap, it was dirty and didn’t look right so I painted it and it looks better in the engine compartment, not a lot of progress but progress is progress, below is a before and after of the wheels, I sanded down areas where there were rough spots on the rim, I decided to spray paint them black since the car isn’t going to be a show car and trim rings will eventually cover them up, but I’m actually happy with the result
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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2020 7:47 pm    Post subject: Re: 1964 safari beige notchback preservation Reply with quote

Been a while, decided I would post an update. A few months ago I was driving back from San Marcos and my car had a really bad ping and I couldn’t get it past 60, I decided to rebuild the motor since it was old and probably needed it anyway, I took it down to Ron smith who built the long block, as he tore it down the rest of the way he found this
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#1 cylinder ring busted into pieces Shocked no wonder I lost a lot of power and burned a lot of oil, while Ron was building the long block, I got some parts sand blasted and painted some parts and
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Got the block back it was looking good
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Finally got to the fun part, assembly! Only ran into 1 issue, couldn’t get the heater boxes and the muffler to line up at all, tried everything. Walked away and went for a skate, came back and tried it again and finally got it to work for me
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I couldn’t sleep knowing I was so close to having it all assembled so I was up til 2 a.m. finishing up assembly and I have to say I’m happy with with the finished product, in the pictures the fuel line and heating elbow clamps are missing but have been fitted since
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 7:33 am    Post subject: Re: 1964 safari beige notchback preservation Reply with quote

Looking good. Glad to see you got the muffler squared away. Cool
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 9:01 am    Post subject: Re: 1964 safari beige notchback preservation Reply with quote

Wow! That looks really nice!
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 8:16 pm    Post subject: Re: 1964 safari beige notchback preservation Reply with quote

Great car. Good job with the motor, looks really clean.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:24 am    Post subject: Re: 1964 safari beige notchback preservation Reply with quote

Been a while since I posted anything. I've had quite the adventure with this thing.. Laughing I'll start with where we left off. Finished the motor assembly and got it back in the car. Well, I was hooking up the accelerator cable and the little linkage piece for the early dual carb cars where the cable attaches it has this piece where the cable actually slides in.

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That piece is loose and it slipped through my fingers and down through the tiny little gap from the left side tin on top of the cylinders. SO.. took the whole left top half apart for that stupid little piece but you know.. Gotta have it to be "period correct" and to use the linkage I have. After about an hour of that and getting it out, I had it all back together, and it was time to finally try to start the car

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Now as if I wasn't frustrated already.. I turn it over and it wouldn't run at all. turn over but not fire up. checked my points and my points looked fine and then I looked at my rotor and that was fine. Cap was in good shape. brand new spark plugs and brand new plug wires as well. changed the condenser out for giggles and it fired up but ran like crap... And I mean it sounded horrible.. Found some exhaust leaks, fixed them and even ended up installing a 64 only early muffler since it has no preheat pipe but still hsa the early heat exchangers on it, gave the carbs a good cleaning and it still wasn't right. I also had noticed that my fuel pump was leaking at the nozzle.

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I messaged Pedro about that one since I got the pump from him and we tried a few tests and tricks but it kept seeping. Ended up replacing it with another early pump and no seepage. My carbs continued to be an issue.. Brand new rebuilt motor and I couldn't get it to run smooth. I have a recently rebuilt and barely even used Bosch 4R3 dizzy in there as well and my timing was spot on. I was scratching my head so I reached out to the big guns. Don, our mechanic at ISP, and asked him if he'd be so kind as to help me out. Sure enough, for a young kid like me, he was more than happy to. We took the carbs off and also looked at the plugs and the left side was really lean and the right side was really rich (almost fouled). we looked at the jetting as well and the jetting was 45 idles and 115 mains when the stock size for dual 32 pdsit's was 135. we bumped the main jets to 145's in hope to richen it up and we could lean it out if needs be. Upon even further inspection, Don noticed that I had 2 different sized floats... Confused I don't have a picture at the moment but I'll see if I can grab one at a later date. One float was larger than the other which would not allow the bowl to fill up as much, so we quickly swapped it out for a matching set and we thought it was good. Went back threw them on and we were able to get the car to sound really good, I mean holy crap I was excited just to hear it idle nice and smooth and quiet too! Took it for a test drive and still no dice.. The car felt gutless.. no power. No power at all. I was feeling like I'd never get this thing right.. Brick wall But low and behold I wasn't gonna give up. We thought it was just the carbs I had. Maybe they were just bad. I reached out to some people and Ron (my long block builder) was nice enough to throw me a set to try and I swapped guts out and synced them up and tried it and it felt a lot better. but still wasn't 100%. As I was out for the test drive my shifter decided to crap out as well so I was left with another issue. I got a good OE shift rod coupler and new bushing to put in and when I finally tackled that I was amazed. Utterly amazed. I don't know how I was able to fun anything let alone shift.. This is what I was left with when I pulled the old coupler and what was left of the bushing out.. Shocked Shocked

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ABSOLUTE DUST. The bushings inside the side of the coupler had even fallen apart.. well I put the new ones in and it was solid. shifting was no problem and nice and tight. Back to the carbs.. I decided to send them off to Tim at Volkzbitz and man.. let me tell you. That guy is an ARTIST!!! Laughing
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These things Look amazing! Brand new! Cad dipped bodies, Zinc plated linkage bits and all new innerds with stock jetting back. I ended up changing out the tiny linkage pieces on the side of the carbs. I wasn't thinking that they would be zinc plated but I have the 64 only linkage pieces I put on so it has the period correctness for a 64 model. I threw them on the car right when the mailman dropped the package off, I was so excited, and wow what a difference it made. 1st and 2nd felt great! Good response off the start but I noticed at the top of third and 4th it still didn't feel right.. The next day after pondering more I decided that I would just try to throw a spare rebuilt 4R3 in just to try. Why not, right? What could it hurt? Slapped that baby in and timed it up and BOOM! The car felt great! It's funny though.. I took it for a test drive and it's a good thing I brought my big bag O' tools with me. I'm driving along with a big smile on my face and I get in an intersection and my gas pedal goes straight to the floor.. I coasted through the light and thank goodness there wasn't any cars.. and I went to the back and looked and the stupid head of the early linkage piece that connects on the linkage tree had unscrewed itself.. Well, I sat there on the side of the road adjusting linkage pieces for a few minutes and then finally got it dialed and turned the car on and started down the road again. I'm motoring about 45 miles an hour down the road and the car instantly shuts off. no idle not sputter not anything it just full on dies.... Shocked Embarassed
Pull over again and I look and I looked and my ignition wire on the positive side of the coil slipped off.. Had a pair of tiny needle nose with my and crimped the spade a little better so it was more snug and back down the road we went. I remembered that when I pulled the old distributor out from the storage drawer I was keeping it in that it had fallen over sometime while being stored and oil was all over it and my assumption is that oil got inside the vacuum canister and made it bad. Therefor since the Bosch 4R3 is a mechanical and vacuum advance it must not have been pulling good enough vacuum at higher rpm's. And We did check to see if it was working prior to me installing the original one and the wights in the bottom were moving but nevertheless its good to go now. The car has been running great ever since. I've been driving it to work and cruising 70-75 mph on the freeway and its purring, not eating any oil, and driving nice and smooth Cool Here is how the engine looks in it's current state
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Really happy with the car and its performance lately. Since I havent been worried about the mechanical side of things I decided to get cracking on the interior part of things. The PO had the "brilliant" and when I say "Brilliant" I mean absolutely horrible idea to cover the complete inside of the car with this multicolored puke looking foam for "sound deadening".. well it's a messy job but it has to come out. After getting heckled for some time I decided to finally start the process. I mean he has it inside the doors. on the sides of the rear seat, the rear parcel shelf area, all the pillars, the ceiling, and the rear trunk.. The stuff is gross and it just falls apart in your hand.. Mad now I'm left with this in the back seat and the rear trunk
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Still doesn't look great but it looks better than having that foam in there. I laid some towels down in the rear just for my own personal liking to make me feel better till I get the rear trunk all made new.
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That is the next project and I should have that done to show for the next update. I also plan on making the motor look just that much nicer as I plan on zinc plating some linkage pieces and installing an NOS fuel pump cap that I got from Mario. Anyways, here are some photos I took on a little drive I took with a friend of mine down in Laguna Beach today before we get some rain here in Southern California.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:13 am    Post subject: Re: 1964 safari beige notchback preservation Reply with quote

Nice work on finally getting it to run right. Cool The car looks good, and it's good to see you out driving it.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:12 pm    Post subject: Re: 1964 safari beige notchback preservation Reply with quote

Great strides brother, Thats how its done. See you on the road. Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:33 pm    Post subject: Re: 1964 safari beige notchback preservation Reply with quote

Super solid project car- always dreamt of finding a Notch in similar condition but it never happened. Guess I am destined always to be a Variant guy, which is fine.

Tip on muffler installations- leave everything loose- including heat exchangers- till everything is together. This approach saves many needless headaches. If you are replacing only the muffler, new gaskets at the heat exchangers ain't a bad idea anyways. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 9:58 pm    Post subject: Re: 1964 safari beige notchback preservation Reply with quote

Looking really great, Ky! Shouldn't be too much to do a new trunk liner.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:20 pm    Post subject: Re: 1964 safari beige notchback preservation Reply with quote

I went the same route as Thom for my '71:

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 3:52 am    Post subject: Re: 1964 safari beige notchback preservation Reply with quote

Great update and an awesome looking survivor car.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:20 pm    Post subject: Re: 1964 safari beige notchback preservation Reply with quote

Thanks for the kind words. The headaches this thing has given me the last 3 years is enough and I know there's more coming in other areas so I'm preparing myself now :lol. At least it's finally solid mechanically. More updates soon!
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2021 10:12 pm    Post subject: Re: 1964 safari beige notchback preservation Reply with quote

So, where do I start.. When I got this car I totally intended for it to be a great learning process in all aspects. Restoring, preserving, searching, and just trying patience as well. Last time I updated I had just gotten the car running proper. For the first time since owning it, I felt confident enough to really try and test the car. I was driving it all over the place and loving it. I had gone out with some friends to shoot some photos for a company we do some work for out in a small town in Orange County called Silverado. I always had to fill up the car any time I wanted to drive it since my gas gauge didn't work and I still had a ton of electrical work to do on the car. Well, later that night I ended up running out of gas. Luckily I had just gotten off the freeway but it was just after midnight. I'll save you the story of the AAA service driver that came.. Complete imbecile.. Rolling Eyes Got the car home and decided to clean the tank while it was basically empty.
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I used the Por-15 kit and was fairly happy with it. Since I knew there was some crap in my tank as well I wasn't sure if anything got into my fuel system and sure enough it had. I ended up cleaning the fuel pump, carburetors, replacing all rubber fuel lines and replaced the fuel filter as well. I had purchased some NOS goodies from Mario in Germany a while back as well and decided that I'd replace my old fuel pump cap with a nicer NOS one I had.

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I put everything back together and synced the carbs up but something was still wrong. I got the car to idle nice and smooth but any time I took it out it would sputter like someone was kinking the hose.. I think I cleaned everything out so thoroughly about 5 times. I sprayed out the metal line through the car and even made sure the check balls in both carburetors accelerator pumps were moving properly. Even after all that I still couldn't figure this out.. I got a little discouraged after a while because nothing I did or nothing I researched was getting me anywhere closer to fixing my problem and it only ended up making things worse. So much worse that my car would barely hold an idle and I hadn't even touched the car.. I had heard nothing but great things about Brien at Roth Vintage in Orange and decided to give him a try. I took the car up to him and let him know what was going on and within about 3 days of working on the car, he got it running the best it had ever been, and quiet too! He said it was a combination of things that were wrong. I had a bunch of things that ended up coming loose. Brien retorqued my heads, replaced exhaust gaskets, cleaned my distributor cap since my 4R3 cap had been in poor shape, replaced my spark plugs and wires which were also going bad.. replaced my condenser that was also going bad, and checked my fuel pressure and that was out of whack.. I was very rich.. look at these spark plugs..
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After picking the car up from Roth Vintage I had a bit of extra cash and decided to talk with Alex at ISP West and see if Carlos could take care of my electrical. I have always hated wiring. I would rather do anything else but wiring. (My dad's an electrician as well.. Go figure..) I had some extra cash and decided to get it done so the car would be done in a mechanical sense. The P.O. of this car had previously started doing a 12V conversion but a rather poor job at it.. I may hate wiring but at least I do know enough to get me by but it seems as though this person didn't have the slightest clue what they were doing. Wires were cut and parts were missing and things weren't taped and things were just hanging. It was up to me.. well actually Carlos now. Laughing . to clean all this up. I dropped the car off at 8 in the morning and talked with Carlos and asked if he'd straighten my hood a bit too since it was wonky and always hit the cowl and was never aligned. I brought a NOS turn signal switch as well as a NOS contact plate that I got from member of the 1500 club. Thank you Josh! Very Happy I decided to get the side markers wired in as running lights so they would light up with the headlights while driving. The Pedro signature! I was out of town so I had my dad pick up the car and I was able to really drive the car and inspect it since I got it back from both Roth Vintage and ISP and WOW! the car may still look a bit rough but let me tell you.. Looks can be decieving, The car drives beautifully and all the electrical is proper! Self-cancelling turn signal switch, gauge lights, dome lights, blinkers, and side markers, and most importantly A WORKING GAS GAUGE!!! Now I will never be stupid to run out of gas again which is what started this whole downward spiral.. oh well.. Learning process. Everything that's happened to this car has been a learning process and I'm totally grateful for all the things I continue to learn and the experience gained even if it gives me seemingly endless headaches. Now time for a photo dump of all the goods! I was able to put my trunk liner in but I still have to cut and glue the side panels in which will be done by the next update as well as the rear. Yes, Michael, It'll be done and hopefully look as good as the one you did in your 71. Anyways enough talk and back to the photos!
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they aren't Beru plug wires but they are blue and blue plug wires came on dual carb S models so one more thing that is a little more correct
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It's funny how the color can change in light, But hey the hood opens and closes so nice now!
And here's a few photos from the day I started to have all these issues. Time to just drive and enjoy for a little, Hopefully a little more of this below! Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2021 6:33 am    Post subject: Re: 1964 safari beige notchback preservation Reply with quote

Good job kid Cool Money well spent.
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2021 2:10 pm    Post subject: Re: 1964 safari beige notchback preservation Reply with quote

Awesome, love to see the pictures of you tearing it up in the dirt
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I recycle old cars and parts, other than when I rot, that's as Green as I am going to get.

Thanks to my Tesla driving neighbors, I feel more relaxed driving my SUBURBAN and old VW's.

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