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Vw1200DeLuxe Samba Member

Joined: April 24, 2009 Posts: 89 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:15 am Post subject: Split or Oval deck lid? |
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Hi
I bought a deck lid for my oval, and the seller told me that maybe this was originally for a split window bug. How can it identify? I know that the split and oval deck lid is very similar but I know that were some different parts, not just the pope nose.
The pope nose has very interesting place. It was modify but I don't know which hole could be the original and which not.
It can be true? Or not?
Well...there are many holes on it unfortunately, but it can be repair so I'm happy to got this. |
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OvalinAz Samba Mini Tech

Joined: June 09, 2009 Posts: 1092 Location: AZ
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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:58 am Post subject: |
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To me it looks like a split decklid, because of the Smaller hole thats welded up on it, and becuase of the Spring area, it is a V shape not an | | shape like on later W lids
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You mean pre-'53! Oval W decklids have the pope nose hole wider. I guess if you can get the metal part/area around the pope nose from the split decklid you can weld it to the oval decklid. Compare it to thise pictures.
Oval W decklid ('53-'57)
Split W decklid ("52 down). This one is (I think) '50- '52
_________________ Dad's 4/55 Oval
8/56 Oval
5/64 French Notchback
12/62 French 11 Window Bus
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Bruce Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:14 am Post subject: |
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definitely a split lid. The V bracket for the spring on that one is the split type, not the oval-55 type. _________________
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valentinesr Samba Member

Joined: June 30, 2008 Posts: 749 Location: Ontario, California
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Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:42 am Post subject: |
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Bruce wrote: |
definitely a split lid. The V bracket for the spring on that one is the split type, not the oval-55 type. |
Up to Mid 55... and after the Split era..So being 1953... the Deck Lids had the "V" (Big Spring).... They looked like this on the outside:
And this on the inside:(My 1954 Deck Lid) 1953-Mid 1955
But you gents are correct.. I believe that to be a Split Deck Lid.. _________________ Valentine, Ray J Sr.
Ontario, California
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Bruce Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2003 Posts: 17491 Location: Left coast, Canada
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Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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valentinesr wrote: |
Bruce wrote: |
definitely a split lid. The V bracket for the spring on that one is the split type, not the oval-55 type. |
Up to Mid 55... and after the Split era..So being 1953... the Deck Lids had the "V" (Big Spring)...
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Your pic is a poor example because that is a 56-57 lid with a "V" bracket welded on. _________________
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valentinesr Samba Member

Joined: June 30, 2008 Posts: 749 Location: Ontario, California
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Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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Bruce wrote: |
valentinesr wrote: |
Bruce wrote: |
definitely a split lid. The V bracket for the spring on that one is the split type, not the oval-55 type. |
Up to Mid 55... and after the Split era..So being 1953... the Deck Lids had the "V" (Big Spring)...
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Your pic is a poor example because that is a 56-57 lid with a "V" bracket welded on. |
LMFAO..... Your full of shit Bruce.. and on crack.. Okay.. V welded bracket welded on.. Dont trip cause you got schooled.. Dont listen to this guy kid.. He needs to do his homework..  _________________ Valentine, Ray J Sr.
Ontario, California
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Bruce Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:01 am Post subject: |
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valentinesr wrote: |
Bruce wrote: |
definitely a split lid. The V bracket for the spring on that one is the split type, not the oval-55 type. |
Up to Mid 55... and after the Split era..So being 1953... the Deck Lids had the "V" (Big Spring)....
And this on the inside:(My 1954 Deck Lid) 1953-Mid 1955
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I'm gonna go real slow for you, so try to comprehend before you reply.
There are TWO different V type spring brackets used up to the end of 55 model year production (nothing changed in mid-55).
There was the split type V bracket and the oval type.
Here's the oval type repro bracket:
And here's the split type V bracket:
With all the welding that's been done to the orange lid above, you can't say for sure what it is. But if you look carefully at the V bracket, it has the SPLIT type bracket, not the oval type V bracket like you glued onto your 56-57 lid. _________________
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valentinesr Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:20 am Post subject: |
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Soooooo... Your saying.. That my decklid has been altered... Sooooo.. your also going to say.. That these other 1954s & Mid 1955 Deck Lids have been altered as well..
RareAir:
Kevs April 55:
1954 Book:
Mikes July 1955 Vert:
Kombis August 1954:
Mrs. Herbies V Spring..
And the list goes on and on.. So I take we all have 56-57 W Deck Lids with V Shape brackets welded on..
Bruce wrote: |
valentinesr wrote: |
Bruce wrote: |
definitely a split lid. The V bracket for the spring on that one is the split type, not the oval-55 type. |
Up to Mid 55... and after the Split era..So being 1953... the Deck Lids had the "V" (Big Spring)...
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Your pic is a poor example because that is a 56-57 lid with a "V" bracket welded on. |
See.. I had agreed about the Orange W Deck Lid being a Split Deck Lid.. I had no issues.. Its when you said my deck lid was a 56-57 with a "V" bracket welded on to it.. _________________ Valentine, Ray J Sr.
Ontario, California
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VWKDF Samba Member

Joined: March 17, 2011 Posts: 376 Location: NJ
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:25 am Post subject: |
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I just looked through the decklids in the classifieds....
My question is, when did they start making that indent for the wire hold down next to the bracket? Not all have it. |
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Bruce Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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VWKDF wrote: |
... when did they start making that indent for the wire hold down next to the bracket? |
56 _________________
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Bruce Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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valentinesr wrote: |
Soooooo... Your saying.. That my decklid has been altered... Sooooo.. your also going to say.. That these other 1954s & Mid 1955 Deck Lids have been altered as well..
And the list goes on and on.. So I take we all have 56-57 W Deck Lids with V Shape brackets welded on.. |
Not all of them are modified. Only some of them. See my text in blue below.
RareAir:
modified 56-7 lid
Kevs April 55:
can't say for sure from the angle, but I think it's a 55 and earlier lid.
1954 Book:
correct 55 & down lid
Mikes July 1955 Vert:
can't say for sure from the angle
Kombis August 1954:
modified 56-7 lid
Mrs. Herbies V Spring..
definitely a 55 & earlier lid
And of course, your modified lid. _________________
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valentinesr Samba Member

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Bruce Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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valentinesr wrote: |
This is the only thing that came up in Prgressive Refinements in 1956 & 1957 for the Rear Lid..
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Why would you post about the modifications to the 1958 lid? The change happened 2 years before that!
Do a search right now in the pre 57 classifieds for "decklid". I counted 13 oval lids being offered. Not one of the wide spring lids has the indent beside the spring bracket. And every 56-57 narrow spring lids does. _________________
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valentinesr Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:10 am Post subject: |
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Bruce wrote: |
valentinesr wrote: |
This is the only thing that came up in Prgressive Refinements in 1956 & 1957 for the Rear Lid..
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Why would you post about the modifications to the 1958 lid? The change happened 2 years before that!
Do a search right now in the pre 57 classifieds for "decklid". I counted 13 oval lids being offered. Not one of the wide spring lids has the indent beside the spring bracket. And every 56-57 narrow spring lids does. |
I posted this, because in the Progressive Refinements.. This was the only Rear Engine Mod that came up.. Nothing about indentations.. Yes.. it is a 1958 Year Lid.. Very Good.. Im glad you can get that shit right.. Im only referencing this to you, as this was the only change to the body, that popped up as far as deck lids.. _________________ Valentine, Ray J Sr.
Ontario, California
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Bruce Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:16 am Post subject: |
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valentinesr wrote: |
I posted this, because in the Progressive Refinements.. This was the only Rear Engine Mod that came up.. Nothing about indentations.. ..... Im only referencing this to you, as this was the only change to the body, that popped up as far as deck lids.. |
So how do you explain the existance of that indentation beside the bracket? _________________
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valentinesr Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:31 am Post subject: |
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Bruce wrote: |
valentinesr wrote: |
I posted this, because in the Progressive Refinements.. This was the only Rear Engine Mod that came up.. Nothing about indentations.. ..... Im only referencing this to you, as this was the only change to the body, that popped up as far as deck lids.. |
So how do you explain the existance of that indentation beside the bracket? |
So according to the book of Bruce.. This is a legit 1953- Mid 1955 Deck Lid.. according to your indentation theory??? With a modified 56-57 Spring Bracket installed??
_________________ Valentine, Ray J Sr.
Ontario, California
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Kombi Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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On topic-
The general shape of the welded patch looks closer to that of a Split window deckild than an oval.
I'd think that is a split window deckild.
On the side topic
For clarification of the area in question
This is on my '54.
Since my car is older than I am, hence not the original owner, I cannot say with confidence that my decklid is original.
Also My engine is from a '56 I suspect a few other pieces were probably also donated.
My decklid has original louvers grafted into it by previous owner, so other modifications would not surprise me. _________________ Air and Water are needed to survive,
you just can't live as long without air!
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:38 pm Post subject: 1957 whine lid looks like a'58? |
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Were the last of the '57 oval's being built fitted with the new '58 design engine lids? Mine has one.... |
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lzamora Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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no, all oval window cars had a W decklid |
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