Cargo rocker replacement

kenshapiro2002 · Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 4:53 pm Post subject:

Do you remember when you installed the combined outer/strengthener to the inner whether you were able to go straight in with in...had to do one end at a time...had to do something different?
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BarryL · Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 7:11 pm Post subject:

The rear C tab had all its meat left so that end went in and backish while the front slid up from the bottom at the same time and sat home. You can see how far the drilled holes to coincide with the little curved tab are. Tell me how yours starts to go in and post a couple pictures of your curved tabs.

kenshapiro2002 · Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 7:29 pm Post subject:

Barry...thanks. I haven't joined the outer and strengthener yet. I just clamped them together to see how they'd fit in, and I couldn't get the joined assembly to go in any way at all.It's late and dark here on the east coast...I'll put up some shots tomorrow.
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BarryL · Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:10 am Post subject:

Can you get the strengthener in by itself?

After messing with that whole schmeer of the side of the bus I believe the factory assembled the whole side as one piece then walked it over to the bus build as one almost complete assembly. Some spotwelds would only have been possible if it were done that way.

kenshapiro2002 · Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:54 am Post subject:

kenshapiro2002 · Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:23 am Post subject:

The top two pictures are of the "C" pillar with and without the strengthener in place, and the bottom two are of the "B" pillar with and without. There really seems to be no way at all that I could install the outer rocker with the strengthener attached, unless I hack off the outer 1" or so of the strengthener, so that it clears the "workings" of those pillars. I either have different parts than others have used or I'm really missing something here. As to hacking off the outer 1" or so of the strengthener, I can't really see how that will compromise anything by much. The strengthener seems only to be making the outer rocker rigid...to keep it from twisting, which I can't see it doing much of once the floor is attached, even if the strengthener were absent. Having a few inches missing can't make much of a difference.

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BarryL · Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:37 pm Post subject:

It looks like I never had that stiffener continuation behind the door seal back wall like yours'.

And see how mine is shorter (hard to tell) overall. I say trim till it goes in or figure out a way to plug weld it all in place using clamps and drilled out holes.

kenshapiro2002 · Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:48 pm Post subject:

At this point...unless somebody else sees something different, it's the cutting wheel!
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kenshapiro2002 · Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:13 pm Post subject:

schnidlee · Samba Member Joined: January 23, 2008 Posts: 78

kenshapiro2002 · Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:38 am Post subject:

kenshapiro2002 · Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:42 am Post subject:

So...schindlee, VW Jim and I have all run into this problem. Others talk about welding the two pieces together and installing like it's no problem. Makes you wonder. I e-mailed Gerson to ask about this, but no answer yet (the guy is working his ass off...I understand). Until I'm further educated about this, I'm guessing that installing the outer/strengthener as a unit is only gonna happen if the "B" or "C" pillar isn't installed yet? That doesn't seems likely, but until somebody figures this out I'll go with that. Also, some of the other (non KF) companies sell it as one piece...already joined. Hmmmmmmmmmmm...
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kenshapiro2002 · Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:56 am Post subject:

schnidlee · Samba Member Joined: January 23, 2008 Posts: 78

kenshapiro2002 · Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 2:57 pm Post subject:

Welded the strengthener to the outer today. Kept trying with the Harbor Freight spot welder, but it sucked soooooo much, I took out my puncher, made nice little holes in the strengthener, and puddle welded the two together. Then used Eastwood's inside-the-frame rust preventative stuff and shot between the two profusely. Should have the outer all welded in tomorrow...pictures to follow.
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kenshapiro2002 · Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 11:35 am Post subject:

The outer rocker is welded in and I'm thrilled with the fit. POR-15 inside before welding it in.

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Schwing · Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 11:57 am Post subject:

Ken that looks spot on! All this business with the strengthener is really confusing me. Glideking needed the strengthener on his 59 single cab but when I look at my old rocker I cut out on my 66 single cab, there was NO strengthener. Who knows. I had originally thought this was only a passenger bus/kombi feature to support the weight of people standing.

Nonetheless you did an awesome job. Pat yourself on the back, you did an awesome job on this repair. The floor is going to feel like a joke compared to this repair. Lots of tweaking and adjusting going on here.

kenshapiro2002 · Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:24 pm Post subject:

I can't imagine needing the strengthener in a SC. That being said, can't see a downside to it.
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kenshapiro2002 · Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:24 am Post subject:

Yeah...I dunno...no tweaking to speak of...everything falling into place nicely. Not sure if I'm good at this, lucky or a little of each. I do love Klassic Fab parts.

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CaLiBus · Samba Member Joined: May 27, 2011 Posts: 1097

It seems as tho your KF B pillar sits a bit lower than the KF outer and inner rocker. Can you post a close up picture of your lower B pillar?

And where did you weld outer rocker to B and C pillars? Only at the bottom of rocker to hold it place? Sorry if I missed something but I'm scratching my head as to where to weld to the pillars.


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