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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pushed the car outside to clean up it's droppings on the floor in the garage (a substantial pile!!).

While outside I decided that considering that the windshield rubber seal was rock hard, the plastic chrome trim was faded black and the seal had pulled back from the frame, that I'd remove the glass.
The PO's had also poor painted to the edge of the rubber leaving a mountain high ridge of paint along the entire perimeter. The Black in front of the dash is also rusty and need of refreshing as well.

Removing this glass was Easier said than done! I couldn't cut the rubber well for it crumbled and chipped as I cut it. It also broke off razor blades as you shoved them in and dragged them along. The rubber despite it's advanced age and decay had fused itself to both the body and the glass as well so that considerable care had to be exercised to slip in a very thin putty knife around the glass to break the bond between it and the rubber.

A trash can of crumbled rubber later and a time period that was MUCH longer than anticipated yielded this....... (I've come to really dislike Ravenna Green!!)
The Rust is far better than I anticipated, compared to some I've seen, non-existent!!)

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I was happy to see that the factory drain holes were not enlarged and horrible rotten as well.

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I've done older windshield removals but haven't seen (or fail to recall) the seal retainer "teeth" as shown in this photo. What year did they begin to be installed I wonder??

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Well, it's my Birthday weekend so this project may just lie dormant for a few days!!

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding the dash pad, mine is horribly cracked in multiple places.

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I've read about overlays and how to's on installing them

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=462251&highlight=dash+pad

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=444973&highlight=dash+pad

http://www.superbeetlesonly.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=10686&st=25

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=399965&highlight=dash+pad

but in looking at the sites that sell such items there are often multiple choices.
Any feed back on what particular overlay works the best or are they all marginal??
Jeffrey (jhicken) seems to feel that the WW one is superior to other's offerings.

I've also considered simply going with a dash overlay like this. I do have concerns of it looking "covered" rather than factory but this could just be my personal "keep it factory" quirk that is so deeply ingrained in me!

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Any personal experiences or opinions??
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have installed several of the dash toppers. How ever the last one 2 years ago is staring to buckle but the car is not garaged at all. This is the first one that did that Mad that I know of.
Don't remember when the grippers were first installed but most were not re-installed as the replacement seals were not made properly for a good fit.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

djkeev. THANK you so much for posting those pictures. I saw those two holes in my back window and thought they were rust holes. I was going to weld them up.. Those are drain holes, I would have never knew! Thanks again Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have installed several of the dash toppers. How ever the last one 2 years ago is staring to buckle but the car is not garaged at all.


Hmmm, that's what I'm wondering.

It may be easier and better in the long run to do a dash carpet like the one int he photo I posted.......hmmmmmm

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a photo of note. I was amazed at how well the heater pipe has held up despite obvious rust promoting conditions!! The heater channel bottom plates is a little worse for wear but still serviceable.

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In this photo, you can see the convertible reinforcement plate that is exposed at the door A pillar threshold (upper left corner of photo). It is curious that inside of the door threshold is an additional reinforcement plate that runs towards the rear the exact same distance the visible reinforcement runs. Anyone know if this interior plate is found in the sedans as well or is it a convertible only thing?
(see the plate at the base of the A pillar where the threshold has rotted and also above and to the left of the 90 degree fitting to the straight pipe?)
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought a DashMat for my '74 vert from JC Whitney, it fits nice and looks good. You need to use velcro (included) to hold it down.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's amazing that you're posting all this. Maybe it's an impression more than a reality but it seems like a lot of the respected, reliable, and frequent posters on this forum imply that they wouldn't be caught dead anywhere near a rusty car (and admonish all those with rusty cars to get busy welding immediately) let alone alive and driving it around and enjoying it like you said you were up until deciding to sell it. Your post reinforces for me that a huge part of bug ownership is taking pleasure in the car you have, fixing it as you can when you can, and enjoying yourself while you have it instead of driving around in a cream-puff only when the temperatures are above 70 and the relative humidity is below 20% etc.

Some lucky someone is gonna get an awesome car out of this. Great work!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too Funny!! ^^

Living in the North East, you accept rust as part of life. Sure, you don't want it but you've got it so you deal with it!!

I must say I didn't take it to shows (such as my own club puts on) for I didn't want to show off my obviously flawed unit. This is probably why people think that all cars are "perfect", a fear of showing your rust thus not being at car shows?!?!?

If I don't sell it, at least it will be fixed and I cans till drive it.

Thanks for the comments....

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm fighting this kind of PO's painting preparation skills in the lid and seal areas.....Never heard of cleaning and sanding BEFORE painting?!?! Shame on you

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Blown up, lost some focus....

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The full panels seem good, just the dirty details.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mnussbau wrote:
I bought a DashMat for my '74 vert from JC Whitney, it fits nice and looks good. You need to use velcro (included) to hold it down.


I'm thinking seriously of this route but also am intrigued by the fiberglass repair.

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This guy patched sanded and fiberglased his dash pad. Even if it comes out just OK, it's cheap and I can still cover it with a pad but have a solid dash under it.

Or...... leave well enough alone and get a carpet pad top on it. Easy, cheap.....fast!

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see JC Whitney no longer sells DashMat but they now have Dash Designs. Looks and costs almost the same, I paid $31 but now it's up to $32. Laughing Search for an online coupon and you can get free shipping.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I was looking at a post on here about rust in his Convertible. What I saw in his photos was crazy scary!!!
Here is one of HIS photos!!!

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I am in the midst of a anti rust campaign on my Super Vert so against my better judgement I figured that maybe I should pull the top and peel away all of that icky carpet and crap the PO has behind the seat and see if there is any metal left or not. I know this car spent a period of time in Florida without a roof so the chances of significant rust in this area may be high.

I'm happy to report that I've only mostly surface rust. There is a minor metal perforation or two above the shock but that will be easy to fix.
Whew!!! happy to see this solid metal! A little bit of welding, a period of wire brushing, add a coat of paint, we'll be good to go!

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, been working on that nasty running board mount..... cut out the rust and botched welding and am fitting in a new panel to weld in. Still racing the fair weather window snapping shut before paint season is over!

Rough fitting...

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do have major repairs on the passenger door bottom. The entire bottom is scaly rust that I easily perforated with a simple jab from an awl Shocked
I ordered the replacement panel shown in the Lower left of the photo below.
More cut and paste...

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https://www.mtmfg.com/vw/2136/Volkswagen-Beetle-Doors-Door-Skins

Heavy sigh.....

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

djkeev wrote:
well, been working on that nasty running board mount..... cut out the rust and botched welding and am fitting in a new panel to weld in. Still racing the fair weather window snapping shut before paint season is over!

Rough fitting...

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Is the panel here one you fashioned yourself or one you bought? Oh...and out of curiosity, what's your welding set-up?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I purchased these panels. I use either M&T or.... gasp!! wait for it......... MA Motorworks. Rolling Eyes oh the shame I know! They have been good to me so far, they've been shipping quick and they've had some panels no one else has had in stock.

I wish I could bend long straight seams but I lack the brake needed to do so. I looked into a cheap homeowner brake and that cost almost $300.00! I can purchase a lot of prebent panels that need minor tweaking for that kind of money!
Besides, after cutting off the excess from most replacement panels I end up with a pile of smaller sheet metal chunks. These are ideal for all of those little patch jobs (such as the rust by the convertible top wire J)

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=484408

I have both a spot welder and a Hobart 140 using solid wire and an argon gas mix. I also have and Ox/acy torch set up but rarely use it for welding, too much heat put out. I do use that for bending metal and loosening rusty bolts though.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Photos of the Right Door bottom.....ewwww!!! MUCH worse than the drivers side was!!

Just got an email that the new piece shipped today from M&T, with any luck it will be here tomorrow or Friday at the latest! Yea!!!

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