Installing a Type 1(upright cooling)engine into a Type 4 72+ FAQ

[Manfred58sc]

Thanks for the link, I was just getting ready to contact a local guy on getting a run of tins pressed. Due to the shortage and price inflation of T-4 parts I hope this thread gets sticky status. It is not a "hack" once the OG parts have dried up and owners would appreciate the quick access of a sticky.
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[Tcash]

I hope this thread gets sticky status.
It is in FAQ's

[busdaddy]

Here's the CIP offering from thier Canadian site (US likely similar): http://www.cip1.ca/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC%2D211%2D198%2D525%2DKIT
Looks like steel, but no bar included that I can see.
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[galencurrington]

[babysnakes]

[67sash]

[67sash]

Sorry for the delay, been in Mexico for the last 2 weeks. The link above is where I got them, and the fiberglass ones in the other link shared are no longer manufactured. I paid roughly $180 for the tins and $180 to ship them to Portland. They are of very high quality and am very pleased with the tins. I am currently moving forward without a mustache bar set up, but when the parts come across my path I will purchase them and install them.

[airschooled]

[67sash]

Here are the tins installed. Only had to correct a few issues as far as the tins go. Other than that I am pleased with the purchase. The motor is running strong, but not a complete install yet. Oil cooler, fan, remote oil filter, CHT set up, and hooking up the vacuum for the brake booster are still on the list. Lastly some brackets to utilize my late bay mustache bar.

[bugbenginer]

Anyone know where is can get this type of bracket ?

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[busdaddy]

Any VW parts supplier will have them, here's one for example: https://www2.cip1.com/searchresults.asp?Search=engine+mount+adapter

* whoever installed the one in the pic has the filler plate on the wrong side of the adapter, it goes between the adapter and the pump cover. *
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[ricobiker]

pm me I have one I can sell you

[bugbenginer]

I got all the tin and adapter from cip1, where are these brackets made, or are they fabricated/custom made?

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[busdaddy]

[a1steaksauce]

You guys think there is enough of a demand for the adaptor bar? I’ve seen them and it would be fairly straightforward to make. Likewise I could also make adaptor plates like babysnakes did as well.

[busdaddy]

Don't know, apparently bugbenginer needs some end mounts at the very least. Early bars are challenging but not impossible to find, adapter mounts like in the pic would make it almost a "bolt in" job for a not too mechanically inclined person since the rest of the stuff is already available. Type 4 bars are much easier to find, but I've never mocked one up to see if there's room for rubber mounts in the middle at the case (Vanagon WBX mounts maybe?).

Is it worth the asspain to engineer and sell at a worthwhile price?, keep in mind many who choose this conversion are cheapskates who want to get the bus on the road for the minimum $, sure there's a few who are serious and willing to pay, but don't get your hopes up that they will be flying off the shelves.
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[SGKent]

Looking at the fiche, there is a hanger on each side, rubber engine mounts on each side, and then the bar set up to take the upright 1600 engine. Several places in Europe were selling the brackets and the rubber isolators/mounts but all those parts seem to be on back order or out of stock. I could not find anyone selling the bar by itself, or a kit of all the parts.

I would think that if someone wanted a setup like that the first thing they would do is talk with someone in Europe, maybe Jeff at BusOk, or one of the British Bus restoration shops, or several Samba members over there, to see where the wrecking yards are in Europe that stock 70's VW bus parts. Almost every bus made for sale in Europe from 1972 to 1979 had one of those bar setups. Someone in the UK, Denmark or Germany should have a warehouse full of them lying around. Same might be true for Australia.

edit: CoolAirVWParts in the UK sells most of the parts needed for that mount conversion. They may know who has the bars too.
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[busdaddy]

I probed multiple sources in Europe 10 or 15 years ago and aside from the rubber mounts the rest of the stuff (bars and hanger brackets) was harder than finding good type 4 parts here, maybe things have changed?
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