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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:56 am    Post subject: Rear Seat belt/Middle seat belt mounting Reply with quote

I did search for the info, and found a couple threads that seemed promising but were incomplete.

I have a 1965 bus and would like to install middle and rear seat belts. I have the everything removed and easy access....

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I was looking for seat belt mount locations off of a 67 (front and back) so I could duplicate what the factory did. Measurements and/or pics would be fantastic.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is from a 66 standard with factory belts. Rear seatbelt mounting is behind the gas tank. These are the middle 2 with 2 more being outside the pic on the same "rail".

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes!!! Voo, exactly what I was looking for! Very Happy

Any pics of the middle seat mountings?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The above pic is not factory, just a PO install

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=397429&highlight=seat%2A+belt%2A
I agree, we need MORE seat belt threads. Wink

This is a factory seat belt anchor in a 67 bus, visible with gas tank out. Same are used in bays, IIRC:

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i believe that the bay window rear seat belt mounts (the ones that go behind the gas tank) are a different angle for the bays as they are for the splits.

i was able to massage them to fit but worth noting

also worth noting that the outer seat belt mounts in the rear need to go through the rear wheel wells.

Again I re-used bay window hardware for this purpose and this was much easier.

Dropping the engine and gas tank is a bit of a PIT just to install rear seat belts but tried to do it correct the first time.

if i am ever under the bus again i will take some pics
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clara wrote:

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=397429&highlight=seat%2A+belt%2A
I agree, we need MORE seat belt threads. Wink



Clara, thanks. And point well taken Smile

I found tons of threads, just didn't end up on a picture or dimension that would work.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is another bracket/anchor that goes from the bottom of the tank bay down to the frame on an angle as well is there not?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last thing I want to do is mislead someone. My bus has two seatbelt codes 425 and 025, combined with titan red paint(before the black) on the seatbelt connections, which led me to believe it was factory. I must be mistaken. I will return to my seat in the classroom and continue to try and learn from the vast knowledge base here.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My panel camper has seat belt M code as well, but they appear to be dealer installed with just holes drilled through the floor right behind the bench seat. No extra brackets.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think my 67 kombi has middle seat belt mounts i think. i remember seeing factory style plugs. right now its sitting in the corner of my garage stuffed full of camper interior. give me a couple of days and ill clean it our and snap some pics.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i just found a pic i already had. it sucks but you get the idea.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I assume the outer rear mounting points actually go all the way through the wheel well?

Any pics?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do these help? Don't have any of the wheel well mounting point, but will try to get some.



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the pics. I am looking for the outer holes. Just to get an idea of where to drill. Thanks
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the middle seats, these pics show the location pretty well, relevant to the other floor stampings. The seat belt bolts go into captive nuts attached to the bottom of the crossmember. I think there is a reinforcing plate between the nut and the crossmember itself. Again, will try to get a decent pic of this on my bus for you.

First pic shows the black plugs where the bolts go...second pic is a new KF floor stamping showing the flat spot and the hole for the bolt to pass through. Disregard the A, B and C markings - they are not relevant to this.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to add info to the thread, here's how to modify bay rear belt mounts for a split:
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Stock bay left, modified for split right
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Cut a couple small notches
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Bend to 65 degrees and weld.

A lot easier than finding factory split brackets
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the pics. I ended up making some seat belt brackets out of some 3.5" flat stock I had laying around. Not exactly like the factory, but they will work. I still need some pics of the outer bolt holes for the very back seat. I believe they go through the wheel well.

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Here they are in the bus.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice job!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To use seatbelts for the middle seat, is it necessary to cut holes in the cargo floor mat? Were 67 cargo mats already cut for the belts?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are (crappy) pics of the outer bolt areas. Good camera is w/o a cable at the mo, so these are as good as the cell gets.

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