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DubNuts Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2009 Posts: 194
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:36 am Post subject: Blackend Window Frames |
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On one of my Westy's I'm going to be replacing all of my window Seals, and remove all of the plastic chrome trim rings "that are srunken, brittle and discolored anyway". I will be replacing the window seals with the newer style seals without the plastic chrome trim groves.
While I have both the slider window and also the opposit kitchen windows removed I would like to take the frames apart and "Blacken" the raw aluminun Frames. Simular to those found on the later Carrats, Wolfsburgs, GL's etc.
Anyone have a idea how to best do this for a lasting result? |
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syncroserge Samba Member
Joined: November 26, 2005 Posts: 553 Location: Okotos, Alberta, Canada
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:58 am Post subject: |
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I did this recently. Took the slider frames to an anodizing place where they chemicaly stripped the old anodizing and re anodized them black.
Not perfect (mostly the de-anodizing the old stuff part) but still much better than paint or powder coat imho.
Pictures later when the sun comes up... |
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dubbified Samba Member
Joined: March 03, 2010 Posts: 1406 Location: Redmond, WA
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:41 am Post subject: |
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I removed slider glass and seals, prepped with cleaning, scrubbing, and masked the installed window.
I used WURTH trim paint, and a heat gun, sanding down, priming, then using the trim paint.
So far, no lifting/peeling.. looks nice. |
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climberjohn Samba Member
Joined: January 11, 2005 Posts: 1840 Location: Portland Orygun
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:14 am Post subject: |
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Guys,
This a helpful thread, thanks for the topic and posts.
I did mine in a half-a** way a year or so ago, and wished I did better prep. I will try the Wurth paint.
-CJ _________________ '86 Westy, 2.5 Subaru power
Know your limits. Exceed them often. |
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syncroserge Samba Member
Joined: November 26, 2005 Posts: 553 Location: Okotos, Alberta, Canada
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:20 am Post subject: |
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Price was ~ $125
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DubNuts Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2009 Posts: 194
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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syncroserge wrote: |
Price was ~ $125
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WoW
Oh-oooooo Sanp... Dang that looks sweet. Looks like a nice "New" clean Look. Yep that's the look that I had in mind. Now who does anodizing
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Would also like to see some pics of the Wurth Trim Paint applied and get an idea of life cycle? Every window frame that I've seen painted seems to have scrape marks.. How does the paint hold up?
Thanks Guys...
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Wellington Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2004 Posts: 1890 Location: Montreal
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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Look for metal finishers in your area. Aircraft suppliers etc.
Stripping ALL the old silicone off is key. |
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westylife Samba Member
Joined: October 28, 2007 Posts: 409 Location: Anchorage, Alaska
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:37 am Post subject: |
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I want to do this. The link to the pics are dead. Anyone have problems with doing this? _________________ 1983.5 Westfalia Bostig RG1 |
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furrylittleotter Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2008 Posts: 1506 Location: West Seattle
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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I will be "Ghetto-Dizing mine with sandpaper and spray paint. Meets all my requirements…fast, cheap and practically free. Can touch up as needed anytime.
I pulled the fake chrome strips out of my weather stripping years ago and my windows haven't fallen out yet.
Will also be painting the strip between the windows black. That looks so badazz when done. Some folks go all the way to the body line but I won't be doing that.
The chrome looks cool on classic stock vans but mine is neither.
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austinindian Samba Member
Joined: March 23, 2009 Posts: 78 Location: Austin, Texas. USA.
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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dubbified wrote: |
I removed slider glass and seals, prepped with cleaning, scrubbing, and masked the installed window.
I used WURTH trim paint, and a heat gun, sanding down, priming, then using the trim paint.
So far, no lifting/peeling.. looks nice. |
Curious how the paint has held over the years. I'm swapping out to non Westy middle slider windows on my 84 Westy. I have all new seals which does not have trim, so I'm wondering if I could have the aluminum slider windows painted black before replacing. |
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Aerosport Samba Member
Joined: March 03, 2014 Posts: 67 Location: LV,NV
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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 6:05 pm Post subject: Black window frames |
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Are the stock black frames on the 89 and newer models black anodized or is it some other treatment, such as paint, powder coat etc.? _________________ Stan L
'87 Westy GL - "Stanagon", 2wd WBX 4 speed
15" Rhein alloys, GW 1.5" lift springs & Fox shocks |
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Forthwithtx Samba Member
Joined: July 14, 2014 Posts: 717 Location: Fort Worth
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Can't say for sure, but mine look like powdercoat. Definitely not anodized. |
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austinindian Samba Member
Joined: March 23, 2009 Posts: 78 Location: Austin, Texas. USA.
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:28 am Post subject: |
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Is anyone aware of the side window width differences in the westy and non-westy models? I have an 84 westy and after a few pick-n-pull instances, I believe my side window opening are the longer width. The only issue now is that the side windows I have ready to install are not black. I'm swapping out with the non-westy side windows which open up fuller than the 1/3 screened in westy windows I have now. Wonder I could find it in black, factory models. |
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syncrodoka Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2005 Posts: 12007 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:16 am Post subject: |
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Westy and nonwesty openings are the same size. The early models have a different sliding door window opening than later models. The last few years of the late models got the black window frames so the won't fit into a early model. |
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70coupyel Samba Member
Joined: September 06, 2006 Posts: 1657 Location: So.Cal
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:24 am Post subject: |
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syncrodoka wrote: |
Westy and nonwesty openings are the same size. The early models have a different sliding door window opening than later models. The last few years of the late models got the black window frames so the won't fit into a early model. |
So did this happen with the change of door locks on sliding doors? _________________
TheAndante wrote: |
Saying that specs are different than dimensions doesn't make sense. Porsche specs/VW specs/engineering specs are nothing but a series of dimensions,sizes,percentages,measurements, etc. |
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=338946&highlight=
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2008 Posts: 9937 Location: Orbiting San Diego
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:36 am Post subject: |
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Yes, the sliding door latch mechanism and window size changes both began when the 10th digit of the chassis vin# changed to F to designate the 1985 model year.
Mark
70coupyel wrote: |
syncrodoka wrote: |
Westy and nonwesty openings are the same size. The early models have a different sliding door window opening than later models..... |
So did this happen with the change of door locks on sliding doors? |
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austinindian Samba Member
Joined: March 23, 2009 Posts: 78 Location: Austin, Texas. USA.
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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I'll check my chassis vin this evening. Just to be clear. Can you confirm this?
There are only two sizes of windows which only vary in width.
If you have "F" in the 10 digit of your chassis vin you should have the wider window.
If you have the wider window size you should be able to source a black (wider opening, non westy) one in the junkyards? |
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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There are only 2 sizes of window opening in the sliding door.
85 and newer have the SMALLER opening.
The 10th digit is the model year, F is for 85.
D - 83
E - 84
F - 85
G - 86 etc
Black frames came in the smaller later year size only AFAIK.
Mark
austinindian wrote: |
I'll check my chassis vin this evening. Just to be clear. Can you confirm this?
There are only two sizes of windows which only vary in width.
If you have "F" in the 10 digit of your chassis vin you should have the wider window.
If you have the wider window size you should be able to source a black (wider opening, non westy) one in the junkyards? |
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austinindian Samba Member
Joined: March 23, 2009 Posts: 78 Location: Austin, Texas. USA.
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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Appreciate you for clarifying. I must have the larger ones on my '84 then. Okay, back to the drawing board to figure out how to paint them flat black first. I'll do it if it it can be done right. The alum trim is anodized it seems. |
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator
Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 7924 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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crazyvwvanman wrote: |
Black frames came in the smaller later year size only AFAIK. |
From 1989 onward, to be specific. _________________ ~Kamz
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