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xclemjustinx Samba Member
Joined: August 06, 2016 Posts: 198
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: Powerflex gearbox bushings? |
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Installed a new gearbox mount and new powerflex bushings today. I can say it’s a noticeable difference when I shift and when I put it in drive from reverse. I am very happy with the upgrade. I stripped down the new mount and used dura coat for the paint. Dura coat is a finish like cerakote for guns. It’s water proof and chip resistant. We will see how it goes.
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Jeffrey Lee Samba Member
Joined: February 04, 2014 Posts: 1488 Location: Wisconsin
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:01 pm Post subject: Re: Powerflex gearbox bushings? |
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Looks like a clean install!
I think you'll appreciate the tighter shifting. _________________ Camp Westfalia
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Slimvest Samba Member
Joined: March 20, 2014 Posts: 431 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: Powerflex gearbox bushings? |
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Finally installed mine. I guess shifting 1st to 2nd is pretty smooth, but not blown away. Incremental gains...maybe i need to drive a busted old van to remember how good I have it.
Fun variable: supported the trans with a hydraulic jack, pulled the bracket and took it to a shop that pressed the old bushing out. Got home and the jack had lost pressure and my transaxle is hanging in the wind. _________________ '87 GL w/ Reimo top |
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coclimber Samba Member
Joined: July 18, 2013 Posts: 245 Location: Morrison, Colorado
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scobax wrote: |
Thanks for another useful writeup Chris!
Take your hacksaw apart and put the blade through one of the holes in the rubber part of the mount with the teeth facing the metal sleeve portion of the mount. If your mount doesn't have holes clear through, you can always drill one.
Reconnect the blade to your saw "backwards", that is teeth "in" towards the saw frame and gently cut through the metal sleeve part of the old mount being careful not to go too far through and into the housing. In most cases you don't actually have to cut all the way through, once you have cut most of the way through the sleeve they tend to become much more agreeable. Take your hacksaw out and proceed with the chisel as Chris demonstrates above.
This method helps take some of the tension off of the old mount and will make it a bit easier to remove the old mount and lessens the possibility of damaging the housing or knocking it out of round.
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BRILLIANT! It came out in about 10 minutes. So thankful for the hacksaw advice! _________________ '83.5 Westfalia Camper - SOLD
'86 Westfalia Weekender
2001 Subaru Legacy 2.5L donor
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thatbaldwinlife Samba Member
Joined: August 01, 2011 Posts: 777 Location: Out exploring
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: Powerflex gearbox bushings? |
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Thats how I got mine out too, hacksaw. Works great
nate _________________ 1987 Westy
Insta: @Thatbaldwinlife
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Gosshane Samba Member
Joined: November 06, 2020 Posts: 1 Location: Texas
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 7:34 am Post subject: Re: Powerflex gearbox bushings? |
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Used a hacksaw to cut the bushings casing. I did have to cut the rubber surrounding the center bolt receiver to release outward pressure. Then I tapped a few times with a hammer and the bushing popped right out.
Replacing the bushing has solved a few problems and since the bushing was so old and already worn when I purchased the van, I can't tell if the bushing transfers extra noise when compared to an OEM bushing.
All I know is the van shifts better, seems to have less vibration, and bumps are not accompanied by the same thud.
I am extremely happy and will continue to use the powerflex bushings as I go through and replace all the almost 40 year old bushings on my van. |
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4Gears4Tires Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2018 Posts: 3028 Location: MD
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:13 am Post subject: Re: Powerflex gearbox bushings? |
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They definitely do transfer extra noise and vibration. But the ease of installation and extra stability make it an easy decision to make. _________________ '87 Syncro
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binsento Samba Member
Joined: August 22, 2020 Posts: 6 Location: Ontario
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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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Chris i noticed the spacers above the mount. Do all automatic trans require the spacers between the bracket and the van frame? and is it just when using an aftermarket mount?
https://www.buslab.com/product-p/251399247.htm
Thanks,
Vince
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Ultimately, after a few months of evaluating things, I decided to remove the solid urethane forward bushing and replace it with a new aftermarket rubber mount (I believe it is an FEQ brand). There was just too much NVH (noise, vibration, harshness) for my liking. The aftermarket mount decreased the unwanted NVH compared to the solid urethane mount, but at the cost allowing the nose of the gearbox to move up and down too much, but also allowing the engine/gearbox to move forward/backward by quite a lot. In addition, after having the aftermarket mount in place for a few months, it has already split about 50% of the way through between the bridge and the outer shell.
Luckily, Powerflex has worked through a new design that supposedly reduced the NVH significantly over their original solid version. I installed one of these updated units a few months ago and I'm am pretty happy with it. Compared to the aftermarket rubber version, I noticed absolutely zero increase in NVH with this new Powerflex design. There is still a small amount of engine/gearbox movement, but it is quite a bit less than with the aftermarket rubber mount and MUCH less that the original OE mount. This new version will be staying in my van long term.
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ALIKA T3 Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2009 Posts: 6351 Location: Honolulu,Hawaii and France
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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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binsento wrote: |
Chris i noticed the spacers above the mount. Do all automatic trans require the spacers between the bracket and the van frame? and is it just when using an aftermarket mount?
https://www.buslab.com/product-p/251399247.htm
Thanks,
Vince
Christopher Schimke wrote: |
Ultimately, after a few months of evaluating things, I decided to remove the solid urethane forward bushing and replace it with a new aftermarket rubber mount (I believe it is an FEQ brand). There was just too much NVH (noise, vibration, harshness) for my liking. The aftermarket mount decreased the unwanted NVH compared to the solid urethane mount, but at the cost allowing the nose of the gearbox to move up and down too much, but also allowing the engine/gearbox to move forward/backward by quite a lot. In addition, after having the aftermarket mount in place for a few months, it has already split about 50% of the way through between the bridge and the outer shell.
Luckily, Powerflex has worked through a new design that supposedly reduced the NVH significantly over their original solid version. I installed one of these updated units a few months ago and I'm am pretty happy with it. Compared to the aftermarket rubber version, I noticed absolutely zero increase in NVH with this new Powerflex design. There is still a small amount of engine/gearbox movement, but it is quite a bit less than with the aftermarket rubber mount and MUCH less that the original OE mount. This new version will be staying in my van long term.
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He probably has a different engine than stock calling for these spacers, stock set up doesn`t have any. _________________ Silicone Steering Boots and 930 Cv boots for sale in the classifieds.
Syncro transmission upgrade parts in the Classifieds.
Subaru EJ22+UN1 5 speed transmission
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416343
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Microbusdeluxe Samba Member
Joined: July 26, 2003 Posts: 980 Location: Bellingham, WA
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:24 am Post subject: Re: Powerflex gearbox bushings? |
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Has Chris or anyone else done a tutorial/write-up on removing and installing the Powerflex bushings in a syncro, rear and front? _________________ '69 Squareback RIP
'65 21 window deluxe sold before the price spike, damn it.
'70 rhd bay now a taxi in South Sudan
'81 Westy sold
'89 hightop Westy Joker syncro 16" now with Bostig! |
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Squidfish Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2004 Posts: 336 Location: 95519
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2020 8:49 am Post subject: Re: Powerflex gearbox bushings? |
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Microbusdeluxe wrote: |
Has Chris or anyone else done a tutorial/write-up on removing and installing the Powerflex bushings in a syncro, rear and front? |
Search YouTube for "James Akers" or Powerflex Vanagon Install, a great series of videos with many bushings covered. _________________ 1985.5 - Vanagon Westfalia Weekender Wolfsburg Edition - LH8U - "Penny"
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Mikesarge Samba Member
Joined: September 25, 2008 Posts: 222 Location: PNW
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:17 am Post subject: Re: Powerflex gearbox bushings? |
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Microbusdeluxe wrote: |
Has Chris or anyone else done a tutorial/write-up on removing and installing the Powerflex bushings in a syncro, rear and front? |
It's pretty straightforward. I would make sure to have a whole set of new hardware. I broke most of the thru bolts on the mounts, and my van is not rusty underneath.
I did the front mount on the front diff first, then both of the rear mounts on the front diff.
For the transaxle, I supported the trans with a floor jack and disconnected both mounts at once. Not ideal, but it was the only way I could get the old ones out. They're probably the hardest part, but they were not very hard to change. you have easy access to all bolts without moving too much stuff.
Just dive in, be careful, make sure the plastic spacers are indexed correctly, and have fun. it's not a hard job, nothing tricky about it. _________________ 1986 Syncro westfauxlia EJ22
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Microbusdeluxe Samba Member
Joined: July 26, 2003 Posts: 980 Location: Bellingham, WA
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: Powerflex gearbox bushings? |
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Thanks for the tips. I've already done all the steering and suspension bushings, including the rear trailing arms. The transaxle and front differential are the only ones left. I couldn't find these on Youtube, but it sounds doable with the usual problems of removal of 30 year old bolts. Luckily I have no rust, so it shouldn't be that bad. Thanks again. I'll post a tutorial when I do it this spring. _________________ '69 Squareback RIP
'65 21 window deluxe sold before the price spike, damn it.
'70 rhd bay now a taxi in South Sudan
'81 Westy sold
'89 hightop Westy Joker syncro 16" now with Bostig! |
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binsento Samba Member
Joined: August 22, 2020 Posts: 6 Location: Ontario
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: Powerflex gearbox bushings? |
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Thanks ALIKA T3.
I recently replaced my font mount (which doesn't look to be original) with a Gowesty mount of the same size. The new mount caused some serious vibrations when accelerating from stop. Put the old mount back in and no vibrations.
The old mount is worn through the rubber at top and as a result the support point is sagging down ~7-8mm compared to the new mount.
So the new mount is changing the elevation of the transaxle by this 7-8mm.
Is the vibration caused by it now touching something else or some sort of misalignment with engine...?
The Subaru conversion was done two years ago by PO - presumably back when the mount was in good condition.
85 2wd. Subi engine original transaxle.
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binsento Samba Member
Joined: August 22, 2020 Posts: 6 Location: Ontario
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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: Powerflex gearbox bushings? |
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I followed the instructions on this thread. Worked really well!!
I removed the rubber from a new GW mount quite easily. Started with a hole saw to get majority of the rubber out of the way, then hack saw, and then a series of flat head screw drivers.
Powerflex is installed. feels amazing. Fixed the vibrations i was having with the new GW mount. |
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ggoudas Samba Member
Joined: August 23, 2011 Posts: 6 Location: MA
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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:17 am Post subject: Re: Powerflex gearbox bushings? |
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My new bushing will arrive soon and I was thinking, (I know) has anyone tried removing this with an air tool? I have an older tool that was for taking the inner or outer exhaust pipe off by hammering and ripping the metal in two. I wonder if the material is to thick and that is why no one has used it. |
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Djking360 Samba Member
Joined: August 30, 2023 Posts: 14
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2023 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: Powerflex gearbox bushings? |
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Any recommendations on hacksaw blade type? I’m guessing the toughest possible? I spent a few hours chilling to before thinking there must be an easier ways.
Cheers
Daniel |
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OlisGarage Samba Member
Joined: June 01, 2022 Posts: 134 Location: Indianapolis, IN
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2023 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: Powerflex gearbox bushings? |
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I just use whatever blade I have. It’s mild steel that isn’t hardened, so nothing too fancy is needed.
The easiest way is to just press it out on a bearing press. That’s how I usually change bushings. But if you don’t have a press, a hacksaw and chisel are really not difficult either. _________________ 1981 VW Vangagon TDI (in progress)
1984 VW Rabbit Convertible (daily)
2003 VW Jetta Wagon TDI (recovering from a hit and run) |
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Djking360 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2023 10:26 am Post subject: Re: Powerflex gearbox bushings? |
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Mission accomplished but I’ve hit another hurdle…
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Djking360 Samba Member
Joined: August 30, 2023 Posts: 14
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Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2023 10:40 am Post subject: Re: Powerflex gearbox bushings? |
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Got the power in but it’s doesn’t fit my auto end piece now.
I’m very confused because I have an 88’ auto and bought for that type
The whole alignment is off
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