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catfish54-46 Samba Member
Joined: December 20, 2008 Posts: 120 Location: bayville, nj
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Has anyone seen this before? It's from a 69 bus where everything else was stock, factory original to the T.
I'm guessing it had something to do with the air cleaner.
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catfish54-46 Samba Member
Joined: December 20, 2008 Posts: 120 Location: bayville, nj
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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:39 am Post subject: |
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Volfandt Samba Member
Joined: March 15, 2012 Posts: 500 Location: Knox County, East TN
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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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That wire runs to the heat flapper in the air cleaner. As the engine warms up and the air deflectors open up it also closes up the hot air intake on the air cleaner air snorkle allowing cool air intake..
I think this preheat method ran for 2 production yrs. _________________ 1972 Karmann Ghia, the Dragon slayer.... |
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Stray Catalyst Samba Member
Joined: September 07, 2007 Posts: 534 Location: New England
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I have an engine with FI, but the doghouse was in rough shape, so I replaced it with a 71-74 one. Is there a difference aside from the location of the throttle cable? I'm willing to drill a new hole for that if needed.
I have the old doghouse, so I can easily locate the holes in the same place. If there are greater differences then I'll clean up and repaint the FI doghouse, but I'd rather just use the one I've already painted if it's an option.
Stray _________________ 196? Laser 917 Kit Car
1982 Vanagon Westy Diesel 1.6NA
1974 Sun Bug, lowered std Beetle
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AlteWagen Troll
Joined: February 23, 2007 Posts: 8501 Location: PNW
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bigashlow Samba Member
Joined: December 07, 2005 Posts: 88
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:54 am Post subject: Re: Official Upright fan shroud thread |
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I did e-mail the folks making the new fan housing & asked about the fact of no holes for coil install? No biggie unless your installing a Berg style linkage which uses that point to hold the linkage to fan housing. Also there maybe an issue with Berg linkage & this fan housing due to lack of oil bath dimple @ center & top of fan housing. My solution is to riv-nut with a 6mm riv-nut & done deal. You may also have to shorten the berg linkage rod because of no dimple in fan housing. I'm going to buy one because I have the berg conversion kit for T4 cooler & it's no better than I have done for 25 years in doing this mod. I'm going big 86x95 with factory casting heads for maximum amount of cooling along with L&N cylinders. monster motor for my old 67 Ghia. |
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thatoreoguy Samba Member
Joined: March 18, 2016 Posts: 1 Location: vancouver, canada
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:29 pm Post subject: Re: Official Upright fan shroud thread |
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id on these?
i think 36hp ?
For sale as well
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66brm Samba Member
Joined: January 25, 2010 Posts: 3676 Location: Perth Western Australia
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: Official Upright fan shroud thread |
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Porsche 356 _________________ Aust. RHD 66 Type 1
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I am an expert at fitting things in holes, been doing it a long time |
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AlteWagen Troll
Joined: February 23, 2007 Posts: 8501 Location: PNW
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Jay Laifman Samba Member
Joined: July 22, 2010 Posts: 55 Location: Oak Park, California
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: Official Upright fan shroud thread |
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I hope this is the best place to get this information. I thought I read that the fan got wider for the 71+ shroud. Is that correct? Since I didn't see it above, I'm wondering if I'm crossing Type 4 fan information.
Also, where does this piece go? And where can I get one? (I'm changing from a slant to a 71+ - thank you Glenn Ring and others on this site for encouraging the change.)
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Howard 111 Samba Member
Joined: July 09, 2005 Posts: 1827 Location: Virginia
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: Official Upright fan shroud thread |
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I'm running a low profile brazil fan CB carried for a while. They were shaped like the Puma shrouds, but no outlets for the heater boxes. They were stamped that way, no welding. All the vanes inside, but no provisions for the thermostat. It looks good in my Ghia and cools fine. _________________ 1973 Karmann Ghia
Turbocharged, Fuel Injected
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SBD Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2012 Posts: 3269 Location: SOUTH DAKOTA
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: Official Upright fan shroud thread |
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Jay Laifman wrote: |
I hope this is the best place to get this information. I thought I read that the fan got wider for the 71+ shroud. Is that correct? Since I didn't see it above, I'm wondering if I'm crossing Type 4 fan information.
Also, where does this piece go? And where can I get one? (I'm changing from a slant to a 71+ - thank you Glenn Ring and others on this site for encouraging the change.)
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Yes, when the oil cooler moved to the doghouse in front of the fan shroud the fan was widened to provide more cooling air.
http://www.awesomepowdercoat.com/hoover_bits.html _________________ "Just $99 down and $64 a month for 36 months buys you a brand new Volkswagen Beetle!"
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AlteWagen Troll
Joined: February 23, 2007 Posts: 8501 Location: PNW
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:57 pm Post subject: Re: Official Upright fan shroud thread |
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Jay Laifman wrote: |
I read that the fan got wider for the 71+ shroud. Is that correct? |
Yes that is correct, later dog house fans measure about 35mm while non dog house were around 29mm.
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Also, where does this piece go? And where can I get one?
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More commonly known as a "Hoover bit", classifieds have them often and a few places are making reproduction versions that work better with aftermarket shrouds. Remember some late FI and Brazilian shrouds do not need the bit as they were corrected by the factory and offer better sealing compared to early shrouds.
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AlteWagen Troll
Joined: February 23, 2007 Posts: 8501 Location: PNW
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nextgen Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2004 Posts: 6023 Location: CONGERS, N.Y.
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:18 pm Post subject: Re: Official Upright fan shroud thread |
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That Fanhousing is fantastic love it. For a T-1 car with the T-4 oil cooler housing it is a great part.
T-1 vs T-4, well there sure are alot more T-1s. My point if I guy wanted to convert a T-4 into an Upright conversion like in my Cali Style, the way to go would be use a 36 hp Fanhousing with T-1 doghouse and no heater hose outlets.
The reason a 36 hp fanhousing has to be used is because the carbs won't fit using later model fanhousing, they are too wide. The 36 hp with doghouse works for the T-4 conversion with the T-1 oil cooler because the T-4 runs extremely cool and in a climate like here in NY it is fine. I show how to extend the dog house to take a T-4 cooler ( I have one in my bug ).
It would be perfect if they made a 36hp with T-4 cooler housing. Well maybe they will sell just the extended T-4 oil cooler housing.
Nice to see guys are still doing R and D on such old engine.
. _________________ email: [email protected]
The TYPE IV UPRIGHT CONVERSION MANUAL
BEETLE MAGNETIC DEFLECTOR SHIELDS
LETS TALK DUBS https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=joe+cali+ghia https://letstalkdubs.libsyn.com/ep-200-joe-cali-ty...qI3xJTCzjs |
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jvm Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2007 Posts: 20 Location: Brisbane
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:30 am Post subject: Re: Official Upright fan shroud thread |
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There are a few variations to the stale air shrouds
Here is one with the cut out for the larger air cleaner and holes for the HT lead holders but still retains the choke hole
I don't know for certain but think these are late 36hp that would still be running the PCI carb but maybe VW moved to a larger air cleaner? |
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Clara Samba Member
Joined: June 14, 2003 Posts: 12399
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:47 am Post subject: Re: Official Upright fan shroud thread |
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WORK IN PROGRESS!!! PICS ADDED AS FOUND. If you have better pics please post.
63-70 fresh air shroud
Uses upright oil cooler
April 1964 Cooling flaps replace throttle ring
August 1964 Cooling flaps replace throttle ring (Type II)
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Great thread!
IIRC, the earlier fresh air fan shrouds that take the ring have different cut outs/ mounting holes than the later one that take the flaps.
Ditto for the cylinder tin.
The pic above shows one that takes the flaps.
There may be an intermediate kind that can go either way as well. There is for the cylinder tin |
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H8 Ashbury Samba Member
Joined: November 25, 2015 Posts: 53 Location: Midwest
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:59 pm Post subject: Re: Official Upright fan shroud thread |
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I don't see a painted number on any of the pics above. Can anyone shed some light on this:
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vilihardrada Samba Member
Joined: September 12, 2012 Posts: 34 Location: ariel,wa
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: Official Upright fan shroud thread |
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I believe the numbers indicate factory rebuild. |
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Ulu Samba Member
Joined: April 21, 2020 Posts: 711 Location: CenCal
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Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 11:37 pm Post subject: Re: Official Upright fan shroud thread |
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My engine appears to be built from assorted bits. It has '72 serial nos on the case, but the engine came from a '74, while my chassis is a '73.
I am deleting the heaters, and will change the shroud or bob the heater ducts and plate them over.
I have the fresh-air, doghouse/upright cooler type shroud. I don't know if the hoover bit is missing, but the thermostat and flappers are clearly gone. This is a warm area with hot summers, and so I don't think the missing flappers will matter much.
But I am thinking maybe some internal shroud mods may be worthwhile, if bobbing the two fresh air ducts, and because of the missing flappers. I read that they help proportion the airflow to the heads when open.
I wonder what a stale-air doghouse style shroud looks like inside compared to a fresh-air one? Is there a difference besides the deletion of the visible ducts? |
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