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dredward
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 Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:50 pm Post subject: transmission options from Rancho |
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They have some interesting options, aside from insane priceing for some what are yer opinions?
http://ranchotransaxles.com/
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outwesty
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| They did a transmission for my old ABA swapped westy and did a great job. It has been on the road for over 5 years with it now. |
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70coupyel
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dredward
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I was more looking for opinions on there other trans axles they sell, not just there rebuilds. Mainly the Weddle transaxle: http://ranchotransaxles.com/weddle-transaxles.html
This trans axle is a "Vanagon hybrid". Seems as though it can handle more then a Vanagons trans as well...
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purplepeopleeater
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$7grand for a trans? HAHAHA.
NO. |
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dredward
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| purplepeopleeater wrote: |
$7grand for a trans? HAHAHA.
NO. |
You should see or hear the prices of the other trans they sell!!!! 
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syncrodoka
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| Standard ring and pinion ratios are 5.154 and 5.43 |
You would have to run 30's to even make the gearing work(back to stock). Not syncro compatible. The starter goes on the top/middle making it unusable in a vanagon.
Built for sand rail crowd and desert buggies, who knows if it will even work in a vanagon. |
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dredward
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| Standard ring and pinion ratios are 5.154 and 5.43 |
You would have to run 30's to even make the gearing work(back to stock). Not syncro compatible. The starter goes on the top/middle making it unusable in a vanagon.
Built for sand rail crowd and desert buggies, who knows if it will even work in a vanagon. |
Standard but i am sure they could do whatever ring and pinion you want/will pay for. Just looked again and the starter location wouldn't work....
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240Gordy
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nice, but thats a lot of money
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gl98115
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Go for it.
Let us know how it works out.
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j_dirge
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Rebuids get kind of pricey too.. as are new R&Ps.
I don't think I'd be going that route, myself.. not at $7k.. but its always good to see there's a higher end product being built. Maybe there's something similar on the "used" sandrail parts market.. like the Medolas.
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wvukidsdoc
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| Standard but i am sure they could do whatever ring and pinion you want/will pay for. Just looked again and the starter location wouldn't work.... |
Hard to say, the bellhousing is clearly a bolt on, maybe even compatible with stock perhaps losing that gusseting to the side covers, who knows. But I'd wager they (Weddle) have one for a stock starter location, those guys have always been pretty smart.
Everything Weddle has always done has been top notch. As to paying $7k for a tranny, well a lot of volks can cough up nearly that for an engine. So for a new performance tranny, probably not far off reality, about the same component investment. Price out a quality 094 build and you won't be so far off, see what it would take to build a NEW stock 4 speed (can you even get a NEW case) with NEW parts and I bet most would be terrified as well. To what point one would want to run this in a 2wd Vanagon, that I wouldn't know. Perhaps if you really have something making a true 225hp or more in there.
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j_dirge
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| wvukidsdoc wrote: |
See what it would take to build a NEW stock 4 speed (can you even get a NEW case) with NEW parts and I bet most would be terrified as well. To what point one would want to run this in a 2wd Vanagon, that I wouldn't know. Perhaps if you really have something making a true 225hp or more in there.
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So far, finding a good case has been my problem.. I pulled the trigger on a core last month and the case was badly corroded.. May need to pay more, I guess.
I'd run something like this in my 2WD.. but, I just haven't considered budgeting that much.. What's a complete 225hp capable rebuild cost? $3000+?
2x+ for this?
Dunno.. We shall see.
It would be fun though. I'll have room to run 30" ballons in the rear.. Do some 930s and maybe I'd have a Westy sand machine. 
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those are straight line runs with light weight race cars for only 1/4mile at a time..
not pushing a loaded brick up a mountain pass with a family of 4+ inside expecting to have an event free vacation..
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I had my 1990 Vanagon box rebuilt at over 200K miles on it with a grinding 3rd gear. Typical 3/4 hub issues symptoms. So before it took a big crap I had them overhaul it. Even the later ones can have the dreaded 3/4 issue, it just comes later in life.
I had the 4th gear ratio changed, Weddle hardened 3/4 slider, Weddle hardened end cap (and machining,) and SA oiling plates added. My case was worn out and they put a used one in. They also set up my Small Car bell housing. Add all the usual stuff and what ever minor other things they corrected. $1600 and I used their recommended Lubratech gear oil to be sure.
Works fine. A little gear whine every now and then depending on load, but I using gears with over 200K on them so it is to be expected. No ring and pinion noise. It needs a bit of warming up at times too when the over night temps get to freezing.
No shipping, we delivered it to them. Been using the shop for decades now when we do not want to do the job ourselves. They are a decent bunch to work with.
I am happy.
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euromog
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| Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Weddle has just released a bell housing for the HV1 Trans that has the starter in the traditional location. Or a Syncro TD gas tank might work? |
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insyncro
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| Weddle has just released a bell housing for the HV1 Trans that has the starter in the traditional location. Or a Syncro TD gas tank might work? |
Or a custom fuel cell in the stock Syncro location  |
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| Weddle has just released a bell housing for the HV1 Trans that has the starter in the traditional location. Or a Syncro TD gas tank might work? |
Or a custom fuel cell in the stock Syncro location |
I've been thinking about a custom fuel tank, Dylan. Can you recommend a fabricator in the northeast? |
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insyncro
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| Weddle has just released a bell housing for the HV1 Trans that has the starter in the traditional location. Or a Syncro TD gas tank might work? |
Or a custom fuel cell in the stock Syncro location |
I've been thinking about a custom fuel tank, Dylan. Can you recommend a fabricator in the northeast? |
I don't.
I have only experimented with premade cells.
The fit is the only issue.
Many have wanted a Syncro tank that would allow for the engine and trans to be mounted higher...giving better ground clearance, also many wanting a larger tank.
Difficult proposition to have both.
I have access to TIG and all the parts, but no extra time to put it together.
I would gladly host a workgroup to design the ultimate Syncro fuel cell to have it produced by a manufacturer.
Switching to -AN fittings will be necessary and expensive for most.
Pressurized filling of the cell is another issue that local DMVs will be very curious about. |
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euromog
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Of course in CA a different fuel tank would never pass the visual smog inspection. Hard to beat the molded poly fuel tanks for most capacity in a small oddball space. Even for the aftermarket they sell oversize tanks for the full size domestic trucks.
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| Weddle has just released a bell housing for the HV1 Trans that has the starter in the traditional location. Or a Syncro TD gas tank might work? |
Or a custom fuel cell in the stock Syncro location |
I've been thinking about a custom fuel tank, Dylan. Can you recommend a fabricator in the northeast? |
I don't.
I have only experimented with premade cells.
The fit is the only issue.
Many have wanted a Syncro tank that would allow for the engine and trans to be mounted higher...giving better ground clearance, also many wanting a larger tank.
Difficult proposition to have both.
I have access to TIG and all the parts, but no extra time to put it together.
I would gladly host a workgroup to design the ultimate Syncro fuel cell to have it produced by a manufacturer.
Switching to -AN fittings will be necessary and expensive for most.
Pressurized filling of the cell is another issue that local DMVs will be very curious about. |
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insyncro
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Agreed John.
I have drawn up a fuel cell that would use some of the area under the rear seat in addition to the stock Syncro location.
I was trying to keep the center of gravity of the vehicle as close to stock as possible.
The bulkhead would have to be cut and the surrounding areas reinforced, but possible.
I don't like the feel of vans I've riden in with extra tanks in the mid section along the frame rails. |
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