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PedalWerks Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:02 pm Post subject: 74 mexican bug VIN same as German? |
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Hello, I did a small search and did not find what I need, I looked in the vin section also,
I have what I think is a 74 mexican bug the Vin is 1842470020 "8 or B" at the end
I just need to know the month it was made early or late and is the pan the same as a german (Length)
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Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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elkriss Samba Member
Joined: September 09, 2011 Posts: 62 Location: Mexicali, B.C. México
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 12:03 am Post subject: |
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i think that the vin number its going to be different, because its made in mexico, so they would have other number. But thats only a guess |
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Glenn73 Samba Member
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alex857 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:33 am Post subject: |
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Hi, actually your VIN should begin with 114, not with 184 as posted. The VINs were the same in the whole VW world until August 1979, sadly making it impossible to tell where the chassis was built.
They were "internationalized" from then on indicating the years beginning with "A" for 1980 models. These later VINs indicate the factory where the chassis was built with a letter, e.g. "M" for Mexico. |
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Paul Windisch Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:04 am Post subject: |
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Mexican VINs aren't any different from German cars. My 1984 Mexican Beetle starts with 11E (E denoting 1984), no prefix or suffix. I don't know where that VIN you have came from, but I don't think it came from a Beetle. _________________ *ASE Recertified Master Automotive Tech*
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Paul Windisch Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:50 am Post subject: |
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WRONG. Here's my tag, same 10-digit number as the older Bugs, it's the number in the lower right corner. That same number is stamped on the tunnel under the rear seat. I don't know when (or if) the Mexican Beetle VINs were lengthened, but it was still 10 digits in 1984.
Also, this guy has a 1975 Mexican Beetle:http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416534&highlight=mexican
After a little research, it appears that it matters what market it was made for in regards to how long the VIN is. If it was made for Europe, it DID receive a 17-digit VIN. Mine was obviously made for the Mexican market, which retained the 10-digit VIN. My apologies for the misunderstanding! _________________ *ASE Recertified Master Automotive Tech*
1984 Mexican Beetle
-1914cc
-L3 Heads 35x32 valves 52cc chambers
-0.040" deck for about 9.1:1 Compression
-Engle W110 cam
-CB Super Stock 1.1:1 Rockers
-Stock Heat Exchangers w/ Tri-Mil Muffler
-Dual Weber IDF 40s w/ 26mm venturis
-034 SVDA Distributor
2013 Chevrolet Volt DD
2005 Pontiac Montana SV6
MAHLE Service Solutions
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schadenfreude Banned
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schadenfreude Banned
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:47 am Post subject: |
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the 2nd posted link explains , the exclusion rule
for VIN
in 1984 , the cars can be imported , with Mexican coded
non 17 digit vins. (really it's just a SN, Mex, VW SN)
I am not sure the mechanism for that then.
i can see, diplomatic imports? (history of import rules over years is hard to track)
or ?
how they allowed non smog compliant cars in , is not known to me.
but the rules says, clearly (see my link 2)
that if the car complies to saftey and smog from an other country
it can be imported with wrong vin codes. ( back in 84) (after 81 law !)
id bet you'd fail today trying to pull that one off.
wish i could just drive one over the border. (mex to texas)
i have one in South America, and can find many more there, totally rust free.
0.5" rain fall per year there. (only need parts that unbolt changed out) |
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PedalWerks Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:14 am Post subject: |
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Thanks to Everybody for replying, I was given that Vin by the Owner, the clutch cables are different length's from early 74 to late 74,
Would that vin# 1842470020 I have be for a 77?
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Rome Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:53 am Post subject: |
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Scott, everyone so far missed your last question. Standard Beetles (not Supers) all had the same wheelbase (2400mm or 94 1/2") between German and Mexican production. Even though the chassis length is the same, a big difference is that AFAIK Mex-produced Beetles never got the independant rear suspension (IRS) which US Beetles got as of the '69 model year. Mexi's kept the swingaxle. Furthermore, in '72 or so Beetles got a different transmission. Therefore there are slight differences with the clutch cable lengths. My best guess as to the clutch cable length you'd need based on a US Beetle would be for a '68- namely the last year of swingaxle. Hopefully somebody here with more knowledge of Mexi Beetles can provide a more accurate response. |
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PedalWerks Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:19 am Post subject: |
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Rome wrote: |
Scott, everyone so far missed your last question. Standard Beetles (not Supers) all had the same wheelbase (2400mm or 94 1/2") between German and Mexican production. Even though the chassis length is the same, a big difference is that AFAIK Mex-produced Beetles never got the independant rear suspension (IRS) which US Beetles got as of the '69 model year. Mexi's kept the swingaxle. Furthermore, in '72 or so Beetles got a different transmission. Therefore there are slight differences with the clutch cable lengths. My best guess as to the clutch cable length you'd need based on a US Beetle would be for a '68- namely the last year of swingaxle. Hopefully somebody here with more knowledge of Mexi Beetles can provide a more accurate response. |
Yes, Exactly This was my main concern as he had orderd a CMA-VW.com Stainless Heim link clutch system and they are designed for specific applications.
the Owner just confirmed the Vin# from the tunnel and said he bought it from someone in texas a few years back and has not tried to Register it in his state Yet.
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Bruce Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:55 am Post subject: |
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Would that vin# 1842470020 I have be for a 77? |
No. That VIN is for a 1974 Thing. Type 181, Safari.
If that's the pan under your Beetle, the original Thing pan halves were cut off, and Beetle ones welded in their place. This is probably how you got a Mexican Beetle in the USA. Likely, the body is much newer than 74.
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Paul Windisch Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:19 am Post subject: |
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schadenfreude wrote: |
the 2nd posted link explains , the exclusion rule
for VIN
in 1984 , the cars can be imported , with Mexican coded
non 17 digit vins. (really it's just a SN, Mex, VW SN)
I am not sure the mechanism for that then.
i can see, diplomatic imports? (history of import rules over years is hard to track)
or ?
how they allowed non smog compliant cars in , is not known to me.
but the rules says, clearly (see my link 2)
that if the car complies to saftey and smog from an other country
it can be imported with wrong vin codes. ( back in 84) (after 81 law !)
id bet you'd fail today trying to pull that one off.
wish i could just drive one over the border. (mex to texas)
i have one in South America, and can find many more there, totally rust free.
0.5" rain fall per year there. (only need parts that unbolt changed out) |
When I first purchased my car (in 1995) I had trouble registering it because it was a 1984 Mexican. I'm not quite sure how it got here, perhaps it just snuck in when Beetles were still all over the roads and no one noticed, but I WAS hassled about the title, registration, and insurance about the VIN being only 10 digits. To the best of my knowledge, my car has been titled in Michigan since 1985, but how it was done, I don't know. Now that I have Hagerty insurance, it's not a big issue.
Corrected. 10 digits, not 17! _________________ *ASE Recertified Master Automotive Tech*
1984 Mexican Beetle
-1914cc
-L3 Heads 35x32 valves 52cc chambers
-0.040" deck for about 9.1:1 Compression
-Engle W110 cam
-CB Super Stock 1.1:1 Rockers
-Stock Heat Exchangers w/ Tri-Mil Muffler
-Dual Weber IDF 40s w/ 26mm venturis
-034 SVDA Distributor
2013 Chevrolet Volt DD
2005 Pontiac Montana SV6
MAHLE Service Solutions
Applications Engineer
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schadenfreude Banned
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:26 am Post subject: |
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the only issues are licensing
every state has different rules from then to now,
vastly complex. |
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