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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:47 pm    Post subject: 4x4 springs Reply with quote

bosruten wrote:
Anyway, I'm still happy with my GW springs. I like the firm ride the OME's provide, although, I have not been off road to really give a objective opinion. I hope to address anti-sway and steering with Powerflex in the future.
Blue Bay Bus X2 love mine, and yes I've been off road and they work great. I got the old man shocks with them, love gas shocks. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have 2 stock black rubber pads plus one homemade "cutting board" type on the drivers side. The pass side has just the one original pad. It seemed excessive to need 2 spacers on the left but it is a westy, tanks are full and maybe the diesel engine hangs a little that way too.

The only thing I have to compare these to are the 30 year old stock pieces I pulled out. Now the van sits roughly 2" higher and feels smoother, more stable but not too harsh.

One funky thing I noticed is that the swaybar end links might want to occupy the same space as the spring from time to time. I can hear what sounds like a coil getting hung up and then snapping free whenever I put one front wheel in a hole or over a curb at slow speed and full steering lock, like when doing a u turn. There paint is now chipped off the spring in the area of the link too.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

airsweden wrote:
I put these springs and new Koni shocks on my 82 diesel this past weekend. So far, so good... much better than before. My van was sagging to the left big time. Even with the new springs I had to use a few extra spacers out back to get it level with full water and propane tanks. I'm sitting right about 18" all the way around now and it feels just like a lotus in the corners... ha ha!


That is awesome news, I've got the springs and shocks and am waiting on the my new set of Burley A-Arms to show up. How many pads did it take to level up in the rear? I bought one set when I get the springs. Guessing it will be enough, but I'm curious how it worked out on yours.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I put these springs and new Koni shocks on my 82 diesel this past weekend. So far, so good... much better than before. My van was sagging to the left big time. Even with the new springs I had to use a few extra spacers out back to get it level with full water and propane tanks. I'm sitting right about 18" all the way around now and it feels just like a lotus in the corners... ha ha!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going to powerflex, burley, Addco or similar bars, and gunna see how much better this is. I think the extra flex on light trails is going to be better than I'm prepared for, I've only been driving mine onroad, which.. I get asked daily..... Is that a syncro?

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I think I then need to get some pictures for the Nature thread, see how well the GW 2wd+2"'ers do. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyway, I'm still happy with my GW springs. I like the firm ride the OME's provide, although, I have not been off road to really give a objective opinion. I hope to address anti-sway and steering with Powerflex in the future.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my last post I was just answering Insyncros question from earlier where he asked if the thread was 2wd or not.

I didn't mean for any of the current posts to be edited out. There was some good info there Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

insyncro wrote:
Ok.....this is a 2wd thread right?



Actually its a Syncro spring thread that seems to have gone 2wd.

The springs in question were the Syncro springs.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We could use a more up to date spring thread for the stickies.

As noted by several the information available is spread out all over the place and the decisions made around the subject of springs is arguably more confusing than that of wheels or tires.

Perhaps we can brainstorm a format and start collecting impressions of the various springs currently on the market.. and get it into a place where new and veteran member scan find the info?

Thoughts?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info Dylan

Here is my dilemma. As I explained before, I'm not too happy with my earlier version of the syncro.org springs and it looks like I'm not alone. Most of the people that have reported issues with those springs are driving Westys. Those people, including myself, are reporting sagging or van lean after installation, requiring spring spacers to level out plus general softness affecting braking (nose dive) and cornering. The extra weight and higher center of gravity doesn't help. It looks like so far you are testing the version 2 springs on lighter vans compared to a Westy so your testing is not going to help Westy owners. Have you considered testing on a stock Westy? By the way, thanks for taking the time to test and report.

Besides that, your testing is being conducted after the springs have been distributed and are on sale. I do believe you have some kind of relationship with syncro.org, either professional or just friendship, please correct me if I am wrong. If that is true, I would be inclined to believe we won't hear a lot of bad things about them, please don't take this the wrong way, I'm just trying to explain what my thoughts are. Believe me when I say I do want to believe this version 2 springs are better because so far they seem to be my prefered choice but I got burned the first time around and don't want to spend another $400 plus installation on springs that might not work for me. The GoWesty progressive springs would not work for me down the road when I do an engine conversion.

I wish some testing would have been done before distribution or syncro.org springs with results presented to potential customers to make an informed decision, similar to what the brit guy is doing with the ring and pinion for auto trannys. Like somebody said before, why we don't get to see the spring rate?

Another point is that I believe there are more Westy with Bilsteins than Westys with Konis. It is great that the Konis can be adjusted, that helps a lot, I think the Bilstein HD shocks are a bit softer or bounce a bit more compared to the Konis range. Switching to Konis to tune my suspension and make it a bit stiffer would be costly.

Anyways, just wanted to share where I stand, most likely I will wait to hear more feedback on these version 2 syncro.org springs mounted on a Westy before I make up my mind. Another option is Small Car springs but I have not heard any reviews on them. Maybe 2WD Fox springs? My wallet already screams...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been driving around for a couple of weeks with just the new rear springs. Hard to really report anything useful with this setup but they seem fine so far.
I've ordered OME shocks and will have them and the new front springs installed next week. Then we'll see...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

insyncro wrote:
Saguache wrote:
Are we talking about the 2WD or 4WD kits? I hadn't realized this was an issue with these springs and I've been planning to lift my 2WD van very shortly. Are there other non-progressive springs you recommend which will remain stiffer under load?


Both 2wd and Syncro.

I am currently testing Syncro.org 2wd lift springs paired with Koni shocks.
Excellent fit and finish.
No alignment issues, 1.5" lift, firmer than stock feel and excellent for limiting body roll.
The van I mounted them on first was a 91 Carat.
They will be mounted on a 86 gl next to see if there is any difference to report.


Dylan- Thanks for all your input on this issue. So you are saying the syncro.org 2wd are stiffer than the stock Carat springs? This is very interesting to me, as I really don't want to lose too much of the Carat's handling characteristics if I go up. Based on your report, it seems the syncro.org 2wd plus Koni is the way for me. My stock springs with tired KYBs are riding extra low (14.5"?), so I'm expecting a pretty dramatic lift (maybe least 3" from where I am now) with a more comfortable ride coming from the Konis. No more totally flat, porsche-like handling but a better solution for mixed driving.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dubbified wrote:

I just didnt see any difference. The springs themselves are quality.

It is difficult to diagnose impressions of handling and driving characteristics.

However several Samba members have had very positive results going to the bigger Addco sway bar up front.. helps with dive into corners and helps flattent the van in turns.

Others also use Koni shocks.. adjustable and can help fine tune the ride.

Lastly a rear sway bar can help over all leveling thru turns and on uneven roads.

These items *may* help produce a soft "off-the-top" ride and still allow for more firm handling.

But I can understand the frustration.. I have been trading some info with a friend who feels they are guniea pigs for these products.. You spend hundreds plus install only to find out they aren't what was hoped for.

There is almost no upfront info to work with and then you spend hundress more trying to tune.. shocks, sway bars, tires,..
It is a very time consuming and expensive process. Some of us enjoy the process, and don't mind the money so much.. Its just part of the game But others? Not so much. I can respect that. Gets to be an $$$$ PIA.

Too bad the vendors can't publish more data to help us make a decision.
Bummer for them is, that if it happens to many times, a customer goes elsewhere.. or gives up.. or worse, sells.

Are vendors listening?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had the van loaded with my buddies garbage doing a dump run.

I just didnt see any difference. The springs themselves are quality.

GW is a great vendor, always had good experience.

In no way is my posting to be taken negatively about GW, or their product.

This is my first van, and there are many options for products which affect handling on the van adversely from product to product.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've got about 1000 miles on my 2wd GW springs.

I cant say I like them, or their answer when I said they seem very soft..

I told them I dont have anything, 0 interior, typically 1 full tank of gas, and me driving.

The issue, braking, or cornering, they seem to dip, lose height really badly..

they said it was cause there was nothing in the van..

Well, like it will get ANY better when weight is in the van.

BS.... I just dont want to remove them.. cause I hated installing the fronts.


They are progressive springs, right? So as they compress, they will get stiffer, right? So as you load the vehicle down and the springs compress, they will be stiffer, which is what you want, right?

Theoretically, what they told you makes perfect sense. Real world testing would be in order to confirm, of course.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got about 1000 miles on my 2wd GW springs.

I cant say I like them, or their answer when I said they seem very soft..

I told them I dont have anything, 0 interior, typically 1 full tank of gas, and me driving.

The issue, braking, or cornering, they seem to dip, lose height really badly..

they said it was cause there was nothing in the van..

Well, like it will get ANY better when weight is in the van.

BS.... I just dont want to remove them.. cause I hated installing the fronts.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just ordered my 2WD lifted springs and Bilstein shocks from GoWesty. Going to replace a few of the bushings (anti-sway bar in particular) while I'm under there.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do a lot of suspension work on race cars, and our company sells springs for Miatas that have a similar design to the GoWesty ones. In fact, I think we even use the same manufacturer although we had a similar design with our previous supplier. There's a set of close coils that go into bind at normal ride height.

It helps if you think of them as a helper spring on a coilover, because they perform the same purpose. At normal ride height, they don't do anything. When you do drop a wheel a long way into droop, they unload and let the spring stay loaded and in place. Without them, the spring would come loose under droop. Not really progressive, but effective. Yes, they do increase the potential for coil bind but if your suspension is set up right, that's not an issue.

No experience with the GW springs otherwise though.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not have GoWesty's new springs but I have had a few pairs of their old ones made by H&R Germany. I am still running the old ones on my syncro Adventurewagen and love them Very Happy I see they still have a few sets of old and I would choose to get those over the new based on the pics of coils touching Shocked
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Driving on washboard roads is real hard on shocks; sounds like yours are shot. With your old shocks worn out it will allow the springs to rebound too quickly, and now that you have less downward travel it tops out harshly.

New factory shocks could be a solution.

How much downward travel do you get on the rear wheel, from laden to unladen?
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