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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:53 pm    Post subject: another 1.8t hits the road Reply with quote

Yah! do you think I'm sexy ?
very nice build,
Thanks junior !
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Another 1.8T hits the road !! Reply with quote

dredward wrote:
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Just completed a 1.8T engine conversion into a 85' Vanagon and it's all California legal ! Very Happy VW Logo Very Happy
The motor was removed from a 02' VW GTI.
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YAY!!!!! Is this yer van Paul?

Screws up the bed.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problem with stock tranny and cv axles ?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thanks for exhaust details. Great to see the pics. Any close ups of engine mounts and carriers?

Neil.


Here you go Neil
This is how it works.


Outstanding! Very helpful. I've pretty much decided on my carrier design, but at one point had thought to use the DV mount points. Interesting to see that one can use staggered mount points at engine. Also helpful to see exhaust routing, (distance from shock) cat shield. Was also thinking of using a shorter muffler to keep cat bracket distance (toward wheel) shorter.

Thanks!

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

that looks really nice in your van, almost like it was meant to be there Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the answers...engine porn is the best sales tool ! Drool
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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hope that helps


"with all due respect, I dont think any conversion has a relevant gas mileage advantage." The 1.8t does get better then stock mpg. eather one considers a 3+ mpg increase signifigant is ones own opinion.
"Having had a 2.2 Subaru, I would not do it again. It gets no better gas mileage than a 1.8T, but makes significantly less power." Agreed.
"imvho, the relevant distinctions are horsepower and torque specs, and I believe the 1.8T has more of both than any other California legal gasoline motor conversion for Vanagon." Yes it also has more then the non California options as well. It's also above a stock tuned tdi. with the benefit of being cheaper and more available then a tdi engine/donar.
"To put it another way, the 1.8T uses no more gasoline than the 2.2 Subaru, per mile, but the 1.8T makes a lot more power from that fuel." The 1.8t get better mpg AND hauls ass(for a vanagon).
"The efficiency advantage of the 1.8T is not seen in mpg increase, it is seen in performance.. you accelerate faster, and you get more torque, so you can stay in 4th gear going up hills that the subaru has to use 3rd gear on.." There is more efficiency is there but the selling point for me was the torque and h.p.
"cant say enough good about the 1.8T option in Cali

with gratitude to samba member and 1.8T pioneer, beetsport for blazing the trail with the CARB smog gods" Thanx Stephan! I was gona go another more costly route to achieve about the same results...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:54 am    Post subject: Re: Another 1.8T hits the road !! Reply with quote

gl98115 wrote:
dredward wrote:
VWhead wrote:
Just completed a 1.8T engine conversion into a 85' Vanagon and it's all California legal ! Very Happy VW Logo Very Happy
The motor was removed from a 02' VW GTI.
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YAY!!!!! Is this yer van Paul?

Screws up the bed.

No it doesn't. I hated the bottom bunk before and after the swap. I got a memory foan liner and now can handle sleeping on the botton
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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$950 huh? I'm in the wrong business.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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$950 huh? I'm in the wrong business.

You can allways fab yer own. While yer at it make some adapter plates. Razz
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very true, and I have done similar things in the past because I have the equipment. I just wouldn't have the heart to charge someone that much for what I see in that picture. If I'm mistaken and the cradle comes with more parts then forgive me.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Very true, and I have done similar things in the past because I have the equipment. I just wouldn't have the heart to charge someone that much for what I see in that picture. If I'm mistaken and the cradle comes with more parts then forgive me.

I've seen things of less material, time, and cost go for alot more from many a vendor here and other places. The cost of doing biz is alot more then a hobbyist cranking out some parts for shits and gigles. One needs to make things worth doing my friend. This is biz.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At half that price it's worth doing to me. Honestly I'd have a hard time charging half that price unless it was to someone I really didn't like Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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At half that price it's worth doing to me. Honestly I'd have a hard time charging half that price unless it was to someone I really didn't like Laughing

To each their own...I paid aprox this for mine(no welder here) and these are honestly a lil better for me. I'd glady pay this again to do another swap... I am curious, do you have a biz or shop? If so, How long? Also note things like this tend to bet cheaper as more people buy, however given the limited market of dead and dyeing can is shrinking as i right this, given this i believe the price is very fair.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No business, and my shop is in my back yard. Yes, I know because of this my overhead is low and this is an unfair comparison, but you can have a whole roll cage bent and welded in a car by a shop for the price he's charging for a few feet of tubing and some plate steel.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should fab the mounts up and provide us all the dimensions and measurements so all the DIYers can have the bends made at a local shop and fab the rest at home Very Happy . Getting it right seems like it would be the hard part - you could spend a lot if you weren't right on the dimensions the first time. Of course I guess you could work with square stock, but there's no way it'd look anywhere close to that clean. Form vs function - how much is it worth, thats something we have to ask ourselves - thats probably why I'm going to be building a 2.2 wbxer rather than going the 1.8t or tdi route, Embarassed . Thumbsup for the community college male nurse path - working on that myself, hopefully I'll be able to afford to go this route or tdi when I'm done and working after a few years.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No business, and my shop is in my back yard. Yes, I know because of this my overhead is low and this is an unfair comparison, but you can have a whole roll cage bent and welded in a car by a shop for the price he's charging for a few feet of tubing and some plate steel.


You're not paying for that few feet. You're paying for the time and effort it took to figure that out and the ROI needed to make it worthwhile.

950 is a lot.

A lot less than the alternatives Laughing

I'm REALLY interested to know what the plans are, what's included and what needs to be made/got to complete the conversion. I was looking at a Bostig in my near future, my back of a napkin estimate on this conversion comes in at a significant saving. I'm eagerly waiting for news on the plans!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

> No problem with stock tranny and cv axles ?

correct, you do not need to regear the tranny, although you will be able to use larger tires, which make your gearing taller, and the 1.8T motor, unchipped, will not destroy your tranny, nor your CV's or axles.

I believe what breaks trannys is motors chipped up above 230 ft lbs of torque

and I believe what breaks CV's is excess axle and CV angle, from excess suspension lift

dropping the tranny, (I think I read in this thread that the tranny is lowered), reduces axle and CV angle, making them less likely to break.

For people interested in the cost and installation options for a 1.8T, I recommend you contact VWHEAD and beetsport privately. Best not to ask for kit pricing info in this forum, it can be misconstrued as advertising, which belongs in the classifieds, and it brings out the haters.

I think the best move for a vendor, is to link a signature line in their posts, to a classified ad for their product or services.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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> No problem with stock tranny and cv axles ?

correct, you do not need to regear the tranny, although you will be able to use larger tires, which make your gearing taller, and the 1.8T motor, unchipped, will not destroy your tranny, nor your CV's or axles.

I believe what breaks trannys is motors chipped up above 230 ft lbs of torque

and I believe what breaks CV's is excess axle and CV angle, from excess suspension lift

Vans with stock CVs, axles and trannys have broken them, doubling the HP wouldn't do anything? I am excited about this.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

> Vans with stock CVs, axles and trannys have broken them, doubling the HP wouldn't do anything? I am excited about this.

yup
take it from me, Im no expert, but I do play one on the internet

when stock motors break stuff, it sure is not the horsepower that is doing it, I would say it was abuse, or driving "style"

Im pretty sure more horsepower wont break stuff spontaneously just because the power is there.. It takes a certain Driving Style, to break stuff, regardless of horsepower..

and I think stock axles make good fuses to protect transaxles, so I dont necessarily think it helps a tranny to be paired with more power, AND stronger axles and CV's

I spend enough time online to hear of tranny problems with various motors.. I almost never hear of problems with subaru 2.5 or smaller.. I have heard of problems with SVX's, and chipped TDi's

when I discussed tranny concerns regarding 1.8T's here on samba, there were a couple reports of tranny rebuilds, but it was not conclusive that any damage was caused by the motor, rather it seemed simply that old trannies on schedule for rebuilds, were being regeared slightly, during a rubuild, to create a taller 4th gear for the 1.8T

the most notorious tranny breaker on this forum, SyncroGhia, claimed to be chipped up above 300ft lbs.. I dont see a big problem with motors that stay below 200, like a stock 1.8T..

here are some 1.8T power specs on beetsports page:
http://www.h2ovanagon.com/H2oVanagonConversions/OurEngineConversion.aspx
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