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Skulptorchaz Samba Member
Joined: June 11, 2013 Posts: 839 Location: S.E. Indiana
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:11 am Post subject: Re: The Right Way To Reinforce Trailing Arms |
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This is an old thread. I am bringing it up as I am wanting to reinforce a set of I.R.S. trailing arms for hard street use/Autocross. It will only occasionally see sand or dirt.
Has anyone else come up with other "designs" or ideas for reinforcing?? I thought I might ask before I get into it. I was thinking I might just reinforce the "bend" or curved area. I understand that is the part most susceptible to bend.
Thoughts?
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Mal evolent Samba Member
Joined: March 31, 2009 Posts: 2912 Location: San Antonio, Nuevo Mexico
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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:32 am Post subject: Re: The Right Way To Reinforce Trailing Arms |
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I did mine like this, as noted above. If I could, I would add add a brace across the open part of the bend around the shock absorber
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Mal evolent Samba Member
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duplicate post deleted _________________ 73 Beetle Baja, Ghia front brakes, Type 3 rear brakes, 2220 ( 94 X 80 ), Weber Progressive, Bosch SVDA, '97 Mustang seats
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didget69 Samba Member
Joined: July 22, 2004 Posts: 4927 Location: Raleigh, North Carolina
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Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:55 pm Post subject: Re: The Right Way To Reinforce Trailing Arms |
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Skulptorchaz wrote: |
This is an old thread. I am bringing it up as I am wanting to reinforce a set of I.R.S. trailing arms for hard street use/Autocross. It will only occasionally see sand or dirt.
Has anyone else come up with other "designs" or ideas for reinforcing?? I thought I might ask before I get into it. I was thinking I might just reinforce the "bend" or curved area. I understand that is the part most susceptible to bend.
Thoughts?
Thanks. |
I've never seen a T1 IRS trailing arm fail on a buggy in hard Auto-X use, even with slicks. Used to see a number of fast buggies in area 20+ years ago on Auto-X track, and I ran a full bodied '69 Beetle. No damage to trailing arms. Bushings were another story...
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OffroadFloyd Samba Member
Joined: March 14, 2020 Posts: 2 Location: NorCal
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: The Right Way To Reinforce Trailing Arms |
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Mal evolent wrote: |
mine go to the sandblaster this weekend. when they come back I will do them the AEH way:
stock shock mount, stock rubber bumper, reinforcement without reengineering. |
I think you have the right idea, currently in my garage with cardboard trying to copy your design. It looks like you trimmed the reinforcing plates to clear the shock, but not sure how you kept the bump stop mount. Did you trim the top plate around the bump stop mount as well, or did you cut it off and re-weld it to the top of the plate? Do I even need a bump stop for an off-road car? |
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joe cool Samba Member
Joined: August 20, 2006 Posts: 1259 Location: Yolo County CA
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:52 pm Post subject: Re: The Right Way To Reinforce Trailing Arms |
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I don’t like the factory lower shock location. Too low. I boxed my trailing arms with the commonly available kit and moved my lower shock mounts to the top of the trailing arm. It snowballed from there but I am happy with the results. Worth doing in my opinion. |
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OffroadFloyd Samba Member
Joined: March 14, 2020 Posts: 2 Location: NorCal
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:14 pm Post subject: Re: The Right Way To Reinforce Trailing Arms |
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I agree, they are inconveniently low, but it’s what I got right now. Eventually I’ll install a roll cage so I can have something to tie a higher upper shock mount in to, but for right now, I’m working around the stock shock location. I read in the Jeff Hibbard book about welding mini 1-1/2” wide skid plates from the bottom of the lower shock mount to the front of the trailing arm, with a gusset to reinforce. Haven’t seen a picture of that yet so it may be one of the many outdated mods in that book |
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SamT Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2009 Posts: 1761 Location: Rule, Tx
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:12 am Post subject: Re: The Right Way To Reinforce Trailing Arms |
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didget69 wrote: |
Skulptorchaz wrote: |
This is an old thread. I am bringing it up as I am wanting to reinforce a set of I.R.S. trailing arms for hard street use/Autocross. It will only occasionally see sand or dirt.
Has anyone else come up with other "designs" or ideas for reinforcing?? I thought I might ask before I get into it. I was thinking I might just reinforce the "bend" or curved area. I understand that is the part most susceptible to bend.
Thoughts?
Thanks. |
I've never seen a T1 IRS trailing arm fail on a buggy in hard Auto-X use, even with slicks. Used to see a number of fast buggies in area 20+ years ago on Auto-X track, and I ran a full bodied '69 Beetle. No damage to trailing arms. Bushings were another story...
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Yea the only ones I’ve seen damaged were from wrecks or bottoming out off-road. Bottoming out your suspension in a jump is the whole problem. Stock arms will do everything else. _________________ Rides:
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Axitech Samba Member
Joined: August 31, 2011 Posts: 1265 Location: Bucks County, Pa
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Vanapplebomb wrote: |
I messed around today with some cardboard and my stripped down arms. This is what I came up with. I would still like to add gussets to the spring plate tab and bearing carrier. Anyways...it's a start.
In the first picture you can really see that I came up a tad bit short on the pivot end. That will be fixed, don't worry
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Pretty sure you’re going to need a fire extinguisher when you go to weld those! Just sayin’!
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Class 11 - 1 Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2021 Posts: 5 Location: PNW
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2021 10:24 am Post subject: Re: The Right Way To Reinforce Trailing Arms |
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What I came up with after viewing all your ideas - Thanks for the help. Please give me feed back - still need to be completely welded up.
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Vanapplebomb Samba Member
Joined: November 03, 2010 Posts: 5418 Location: Holland, MI
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 7:12 am Post subject: Re: The Right Way To Reinforce Trailing Arms |
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Looks like a good start. I tied the bearing carrier into the bracing you made. A couple pieces of 1/4” flat stock going to the top and bottom of the outer bearing flange really strengthened it up. I also bent a piece of 1/4 flat stock around from the spring plate to the outer bearing carrier flange.
I don’t really have many good pics of my finished ones.
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Class 11 - 1 Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2021 Posts: 5 Location: PNW
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 1:47 pm Post subject: Re: The Right Way To Reinforce Trailing Arms |
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Thanks for the input - keeping the stock lower shock mount is the biggest challenge. Do you remember where stock arms have failed / broke / cracked? |
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Vanapplebomb Samba Member
Joined: November 03, 2010 Posts: 5418 Location: Holland, MI
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: The Right Way To Reinforce Trailing Arms |
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The bearing carrier twists relative to the spring plate tab. If you bottom out on a big bump, the force of the wheel pushing up will twist the outer edge of the bearing carrier up, resulting in more negative camber.
In the more rare case that you slide sideways into something, the carrier twists the other way and the wheel tucks in, positive camber.
The outer edge of the bearing carrier around the backing plate flange is only welded to the sheet metal skin of the trailing arm, so it tweaks easily. The inner end has significant reinforcing tying it to the spring plate…but it is made to transmit vertical force, not twisting like you would get when the outer skin gives around the backing plate flange. Supporting the backing plate flange makes the assembly way stronger because both the inside and outside of the bearing carrier are supported. _________________ 1800 Type 4 Berrien 295
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Class 11 - 1 Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2021 Posts: 5 Location: PNW
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: The Right Way To Reinforce Trailing Arms |
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Now I understand - did not know they could be tweaked that way.
A couple of stock arms I have seen off sand rails have cracked in line with the shock at the lower shock mount on the main part of the arm – they were being jumped. Also seen broken welds at the lower part of this shock mount.
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Class 11 - 1 Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2021 Posts: 5 Location: PNW
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2023 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: The Right Way To Reinforce Trailing Arms |
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Added a heavy nut for bump stop and a vertical piece to help tie the bracing together. My design was based on keeping the stock shock locations. Got my ideas from this forum after months of thinking about it - Thanks for sharing!
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Class 11 - 1 Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2021 Posts: 5 Location: PNW
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2023 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: The Right Way To Reinforce Trailing Arms |
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