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55reasons
Samba Swamp Cooler
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 Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:57 pm Post subject: Super clean 81 Doka found. ZZZ vin. Advice please? |
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Stumbled on a 81 "army green" Doka in the desert with 40k miles on it.
Original hubcaps, not a scratch in the bed, or a part missing.
Interior looks like the day it came from the factory.
Looks like time stopped around it for the last 20 years.
It has a ZZZ vin and is stamped as West German made.
Vanagons aren't really my thing, but this thing is awesome.
I have read in some searches that a ZZZ vin is hard to get a title for. Is this true?
Any advice? Where do I start with this thing? Is it worth making an offer to the property owner? |
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P|LLs
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I have a ZZZ vin 81 DOKA not an ARMY issue but still the same VIN. I purchased it after it was first titled in another state. I live in AZ and had no problem registering it.
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Samba Swamp Cooler
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Sorry for the bad pics but I was digging for something else at the time.
These were just quick shots as I was passing through.
So what's the story with this thing?
4WD or what?
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Samba Swamp Cooler
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| P|LLs wrote: |
I have a ZZZ vin 81 DOKA not an ARMY issue but still the same VIN. I purchased it after it was first titled in another state. I live in AZ and had no problem registering it.
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Thanks for the info! |
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hans j
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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You might have an issue but just need to be confident at the DMV. The ZZZ was used for chassis that had multiple variants. My 1981 USA built Caddy has ZZZ stamped in the rain tray VIN but a regular sticker indicating the specific model in the door. My 2001 German Audi S4 has ZZZ as well in the rain tray since the chassis came with multiple engines and avant form.
Honestly I would get the form and go to the police station to have them inspect it (if required) before you go to the DMV. Since it is older than 25 years old, it shouldn't be as difficult according to NHTSA rules, depending on who helps you that day at the DMV...
Get pictures! I would love one someday.
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hans j
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| 55reasons wrote: |
4WD or what?
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RWD Sinka
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P|LLs
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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It is not a DOKA and it is not 4WD. More than likely has an A/C motor if it is an 81 or 1.6 diesel. Run the VIN see if it was ever registered.
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Samba Swamp Cooler
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks gents.
Vanagons are like UFO's to me.
I'll probably pass on this one.
Appreciate your quick replies..
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syncrodoka
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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2wd. A syncro has the filler nozzle right in front of the rear tire.
The grill..... |
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Escorial Syncro
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| 55reasons wrote: |
Thanks gents.
Vanagons are like UFO's to me.
I'll probably pass on this one.
Appreciate your quick replies..
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Can you disclose where it is and the asking price? Thanks Joel
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240Gordy
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So where is it and how much they asking?
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syncrodoka
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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Get out of my head Joel!
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syncrodoka
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| This is also a uber rare 3 seater doka. |
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kamzcab86
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| 55reasons wrote: |
| I'll probably pass on this one. |
You might mention where it's at in case somebody else wants it.
Edit: Beaten to the idea! 
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| The ZZZ was used for chassis that had multiple variants. My 1981 USA built Caddy has ZZZ stamped in the rain tray VIN but a regular sticker indicating the specific model in the door. My 2001 German Audi S4 has ZZZ as well in the rain tray since the chassis came with multiple engines and avant form. |
A bit incorrect. I've explained this many times before, but here it is again:
VINs outside North America, and the VINs found stamped into the rain tray (or crossmember) of all water-cooled VWs with 17-digit VINs, contain four "Z"s. For North American VWs, these are merely filler digits. The rain tray VINs were standard issue as the cars rolled off the initial phase of the assembly line; the only difference between these standard-issue model-year VINs is the sequential production number. Locations outside of the USA & Canada do not require the same VIN information (many locations, including Europe, still require only a 13-digit VIN) and, therefore, use filler digits during stamping to make the initial assembly process easier and faster.
For example, if 30,000 Cabriolets were built for the 1985 model year, the first Cabriolet built for that year would have WVWZZZ15ZFK000001, while the last 1985 Cabriolet would have a WVWZZZ15ZFK030000 stamped into the rain tray. As the cars went through final assembly, they received their official, individual VINs based on their destination; it was at this time that North American Cabriolets obtained their non-"Z" VINs, while cars destined for sale in Europe received the "Z" VIN on the door plate, the dash plate and on the build sheet. Using the same example, that first 1985 Cabriolet was destined for, let's say, the USA; it's official VIN would be WVWCA0158FK000001 (the internal check code varies and may not actually be an 8 ). The last Cabriolet for 1985 was destined for, let's say, Italy; it's official VIN would be WVWZZZ15Z030000.
The Westmoreland plant followed the same VIN stamping procedures as all other VW factories; therefore, all USA-built VWs will also contain filler Z's in the stamped VIN, regardless of the model.
Since the SINKA in question has a Z VIN plate, I'd assume it's a Euro-market import from years past.
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buildyourown
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Been looking for a 2wd Single cab for awhile.
Would love to see this one. |
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Escorial Syncro
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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Get out of my head Joel!
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I'm a sucker for green. I'm sure some smartie has already PM'd him and has that thing on a trailer. I wonder if "somewhere in the desert" means Pahrump? 
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syncrodoka
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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I'm closer
He lives in CA |
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VWhead
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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That sure is a very cool Single Cab !
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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I got a PM in the first 5 seconds of this thread.
I disclosed the location to someone already, don't want to screw anyone out of a fair shot at it.
I hope it ends up on the road again someday.
Good luck gents.
I'm just visiting CA. |
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syncrodoka
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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I got a PM in the first 5 seconds of this thread.
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That was quick
There are a few allstate trailers listed in so cal. |
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