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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Usually mid grade, high grade if I'm cruising through the passes or loaded down. Not sure if it helps much, makes me feel better though.
About once a month I'll run some Marvel through the system.
I don't ever get gas at a station when the in-ground tanks are being refilled.
No brand loyalty really.


I have to agree. I run 89 octane (Costco) and seem to handle the mountian passes more confidently. Now I use it all the time. Peace of mind!
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually mid grade, high grade if I'm cruising through the passes or loaded down. Not sure if it helps much, makes me feel better though.
About once a month I'll run some Marvel through the system.
I don't ever get gas at a station when the in-ground tanks are being refilled.
No brand loyalty really.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for these tips.
my van is going from daily driver, to purely recreational.
i won't be going through gas nearly as quick as i used to,
so i'm looking at ways to keep things in order.

Glenn wrote:


Also if you're not going to drive your car for a month, you should add some of the "blue" fuel stabilizer. It's specifically formulated for gas with ethanol. This gas can go bad in as little as 4 weeks and will attract water. You want the blue and not the red stabilizer.


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I used to be loyal to a brand until everything went to the gasohol fuels. Now if I happen to find a place on the map:

http://pure-gas.org/

If it is close to where I am going I will buy it there. I have noticed a difference in mpg with straight fuel verses the 10% alcohol fuels. For me all of the brands suck, but I will keep Glenn's advice in mind.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think more than anything, you should buy gas from newer stations that move some product. You want fresh gas that been stored in newer tanks. The 40yo pumps in the middle of the desert are the scary ones. There is a lot of crap in those old steel tanks. Ever seen one get pulled?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenn wrote:
On Long Island, gasoline is distributed by a handful of "bulk carriers" and i've seen the same trucks making deliveries at different name brand stations.

In my daily driver, 2001 Civic, I put the cheapest gas in and never had a problem. In my Beetle, which has a high performance engine, I put 93 in and generally stick to the stations that are well maintained. I figure if the station looks nice then they probably have newer fiberglass tanks and not 30 year old metal tanks with tons of sediment and rust.

Also if you're not going to drive your car for a month, you should add some of the "blue" fuel stabilizer. It's specifically formulated for gas with ethanol. This gas can go bad in as little as 4 weeks and will attract water. You want the blue and not the red stabilizer.



I've not run across the issue with ethanol gas going bad in as little as 4 weeks. In fact, ethanol (alcohol) will/should absorb water. It does however burn leaner than standard fuel without the ethanol added. Most, if not all stations were mandated to have their under ground tanks replaced with newer ones.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew A. Libby wrote:
randywebb wrote:
unless you average a large number of fill ups together, then 10% does not sound like an unusual deviation based on how these things work


Like I said, that's exactly what I did and 10% is huge. I did several fill ups from each station and EVERY TIME I used one station I got 10% better and EVERY time I used the other I got 10% worse on the same driven route at the same speed. If I took the fill ups from the one station and averaged them and then took the fill ups from the other station and averaged them it would still equal the same 10% difference.


we'd need the sample sizes to see if it was statistically significant, but I'm glad to hear it was at least several samples
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My beater, a 3cyl-Geo, ihad used the pure gas when possible. Thru the winter and now that its pretty warm i think the pure-gas has been reformulated as i don't get better mi on it or my WBX either and i check mi at every fill up. Will try thru this mo and if same will just run whatever, eth or not.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

randywebb wrote:
unless you average a large number of fill ups together, then 10% does not sound like an unusual deviation based on how these things work


Like I said, that's exactly what I did and 10% is huge. I did several fill ups from each station and EVERY TIME I used one station I got 10% better and EVERY time I used the other I got 10% worse on the same driven route at the same speed. If I took the fill ups from the one station and averaged them and then took the fill ups from the other station and averaged them it would still equal the same 10% difference.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chevron. Not because of any brand loyalty or noted performance-based results but because they're just down the road and usually have the best price during our ongoing gas war.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys have name - brand gas stations?
Anyways, the price is always EXACTLY the same anywhere in town, cuz they all jack it up every day at the same time, in the same increments- usually 5 cents per day. I think they all call each other and agree on the days' price.
And, no, I use whatever is handy. Never had any problem. Yet. It all comes out the same pipe, thru Chicago.
So, if all the stations use the same gas, but a couple claim "top tier", why does it all cost exactly the same?
And then, why does it go up even though their tank was just filled yesterday, and you KNOW that gas was paid for at YESTERDAY'S prevailing price, yet it still jumps daily? Oh yeah, - greed. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

unless you average a large number of fill ups together, then 10% does not sound like an unusual deviation based on how these things work


re the earlier post:
Et-OH is well known to lower mileage, just as it cleans the engine
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a diesel VW I tracked the fuel mileage on the same commute over several tanks of fuel bought alternating between two name brands. There was a 10% difference in fuel economy that directly coincided with which brand I used. This could potentially be an error in their measured quantity, but 10% seems like a really big mistake if that's the case.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to be loyal to a brand until everything went to the gasohol fuels. Now if I happen to find a place on the map:

http://pure-gas.org/

If it is close to where I am going I will buy it there. I have noticed a difference in mpg with straight fuel verses the 10% alcohol fuels. For me all of the brands suck, but I will keep Glenn's advice in mind.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:47 pm    Post subject: gas Reply with quote

Blue Bay Bus Safeway gas, we buy a lot of food, makes the gas cheaper! But then again if it will burn we will come! price! is the god of gas now.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:34 pm    Post subject: Top Tier Fuels Reply with quote

I listened to a long discussion about this on 'Drive Radio,' a local car repair and maintenance radio show. They were rather firm in recommending what's described on this page:

http://www.toptiergas.com/

All I can say, is that after I switched Winston over to Conoco, he quit eating so many plastic pre-filters, and seems to run and idle better. Mileage went back up to 24 MPG after dipping on the cheaper gas at Sinclair.

I should still replace the pre-filter this season--he's gone two years without a new one!

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've used most everything they sell in western Canada and the USA with good results *EXCEPT* for Union 76. Three different vans, three different stations, yet each time the gas caused a niggling high-speed miss on the highway that went away with the next tank of gas.

So, no 76 for me... Sad
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being loyal to a gas brand stopped a long time ago, now i just require it being able to lite with a match.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Costco, no regrets, no ill effects so far...don't see the value of paying extra for Chevron or Shell
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 12:58 pm    Post subject: gas Reply with quote

i will back you up glenn,my father worked for mobile at a tank farm and across there was exxon and gulf farms,ALL of thier product came down the same big pipeline from N.J.,even diesel! so make your own conclusion,but yes additives are added after the fact!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 12:44 pm    Post subject: Re: what brand of gas do you feed your Westy Reply with quote

I'll echo I use Chevron whenever possible. I'll also use whatever's available in a pinch like Shell, Conoco and Texaco which all worked fine. BP isn't bad but usually very expensive in my 'hood. Overall I just use regular without any problems.

The only problem I ever had in a vanagon is with the local (Portland) Arco sometimes which is notorious for their additives although often cheapest. In my old air-coolers I could usually burn anything, even Arco, but the vanagons (stock) are a little more touchy.

As already mentioned, the small station in the woods that seldom gets visited has a greater chance for introducing water and crud.
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