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t_man Samba Member

Joined: December 10, 2007 Posts: 42 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:49 am Post subject: |
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seanjenn wrote: |
Usually mid grade, high grade if I'm cruising through the passes or loaded down. Not sure if it helps much, makes me feel better though.
About once a month I'll run some Marvel through the system.
I don't ever get gas at a station when the in-ground tanks are being refilled.
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I have to agree. I run 89 octane (Costco) and seem to handle the mountian passes more confidently. Now I use it all the time. Peace of mind! _________________ -tgc
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seanjenn Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2009 Posts: 722 Location: TAOS
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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Usually mid grade, high grade if I'm cruising through the passes or loaded down. Not sure if it helps much, makes me feel better though.
About once a month I'll run some Marvel through the system.
I don't ever get gas at a station when the in-ground tanks are being refilled.
No brand loyalty really. _________________ 1987 GL Sunroof
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thisguyfel Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2011 Posts: 70 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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thanks for these tips.
my van is going from daily driver, to purely recreational.
i won't be going through gas nearly as quick as i used to,
so i'm looking at ways to keep things in order.
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Also if you're not going to drive your car for a month, you should add some of the "blue" fuel stabilizer. It's specifically formulated for gas with ethanol. This gas can go bad in as little as 4 weeks and will attract water. You want the blue and not the red stabilizer. |
reluctantartist wrote: |
I used to be loyal to a brand until everything went to the gasohol fuels. Now if I happen to find a place on the map:
http://pure-gas.org/
If it is close to where I am going I will buy it there. I have noticed a difference in mpg with straight fuel verses the 10% alcohol fuels. For me all of the brands suck, but I will keep Glenn's advice in mind. |
_________________ '91 Tornado Red NAHT'd Carat |
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buildyourown Samba Member

Joined: March 01, 2009 Posts: 1668 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:54 am Post subject: |
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I think more than anything, you should buy gas from newer stations that move some product. You want fresh gas that been stored in newer tanks. The 40yo pumps in the middle of the desert are the scary ones. There is a lot of crap in those old steel tanks. Ever seen one get pulled? |
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udidwht Samba Member
Joined: March 06, 2005 Posts: 3647 Location: Seattle, WA./ HB, Ca./ Shizuoka, Japan
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:43 am Post subject: |
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Glenn wrote: |
On Long Island, gasoline is distributed by a handful of "bulk carriers" and i've seen the same trucks making deliveries at different name brand stations.
In my daily driver, 2001 Civic, I put the cheapest gas in and never had a problem. In my Beetle, which has a high performance engine, I put 93 in and generally stick to the stations that are well maintained. I figure if the station looks nice then they probably have newer fiberglass tanks and not 30 year old metal tanks with tons of sediment and rust.
Also if you're not going to drive your car for a month, you should add some of the "blue" fuel stabilizer. It's specifically formulated for gas with ethanol. This gas can go bad in as little as 4 weeks and will attract water. You want the blue and not the red stabilizer. |
I've not run across the issue with ethanol gas going bad in as little as 4 weeks. In fact, ethanol (alcohol) will/should absorb water. It does however burn leaner than standard fuel without the ethanol added. Most, if not all stations were mandated to have their under ground tanks replaced with newer ones. |
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randywebb Samba Member

Joined: February 15, 2005 Posts: 3815 Location: Greater Metropolitan Nimrod, Orygun
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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Andrew A. Libby wrote: |
randywebb wrote: |
unless you average a large number of fill ups together, then 10% does not sound like an unusual deviation based on how these things work |
Like I said, that's exactly what I did and 10% is huge. I did several fill ups from each station and EVERY TIME I used one station I got 10% better and EVERY time I used the other I got 10% worse on the same driven route at the same speed. If I took the fill ups from the one station and averaged them and then took the fill ups from the other station and averaged them it would still equal the same 10% difference. |
we'd need the sample sizes to see if it was statistically significant, but I'm glad to hear it was at least several samples _________________ 1986 2.1L Westy 2wd Auto Trans. |
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morymob Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2007 Posts: 4683 Location: east-tn
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:27 am Post subject: |
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My beater, a 3cyl-Geo, ihad used the pure gas when possible. Thru the winter and now that its pretty warm i think the pure-gas has been reformulated as i don't get better mi on it or my WBX either and i check mi at every fill up. Will try thru this mo and if same will just run whatever, eth or not. |
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?Waldo? Samba Member

Joined: February 22, 2006 Posts: 8711 Location: Where?
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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randywebb wrote: |
unless you average a large number of fill ups together, then 10% does not sound like an unusual deviation based on how these things work |
Like I said, that's exactly what I did and 10% is huge. I did several fill ups from each station and EVERY TIME I used one station I got 10% better and EVERY time I used the other I got 10% worse on the same driven route at the same speed. If I took the fill ups from the one station and averaged them and then took the fill ups from the other station and averaged them it would still equal the same 10% difference. |
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Mark Samba Member

Joined: January 20, 2003 Posts: 1520 Location: Sooke, BC Canada
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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Chevron. Not because of any brand loyalty or noted performance-based results but because they're just down the road and usually have the best price during our ongoing gas war. |
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greenbus pilot Samba Member

Joined: March 14, 2008 Posts: 1285 Location: Wisconsin: Rustbelt, USA baby!!
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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You guys have name - brand gas stations?
Anyways, the price is always EXACTLY the same anywhere in town, cuz they all jack it up every day at the same time, in the same increments- usually 5 cents per day. I think they all call each other and agree on the days' price.
And, no, I use whatever is handy. Never had any problem. Yet. It all comes out the same pipe, thru Chicago.
So, if all the stations use the same gas, but a couple claim "top tier", why does it all cost exactly the same?
And then, why does it go up even though their tank was just filled yesterday, and you KNOW that gas was paid for at YESTERDAY'S prevailing price, yet it still jumps daily? Oh yeah, - greed.  _________________ Sent from a white van down the street. |
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randywebb Samba Member

Joined: February 15, 2005 Posts: 3815 Location: Greater Metropolitan Nimrod, Orygun
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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unless you average a large number of fill ups together, then 10% does not sound like an unusual deviation based on how these things work
re the earlier post:
Et-OH is well known to lower mileage, just as it cleans the engine _________________ 1986 2.1L Westy 2wd Auto Trans. |
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?Waldo? Samba Member

Joined: February 22, 2006 Posts: 8711 Location: Where?
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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In a diesel VW I tracked the fuel mileage on the same commute over several tanks of fuel bought alternating between two name brands. There was a 10% difference in fuel economy that directly coincided with which brand I used. This could potentially be an error in their measured quantity, but 10% seems like a really big mistake if that's the case. |
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reluctantartist Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2006 Posts: 1899 Location: Bloomington, IN
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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I used to be loyal to a brand until everything went to the gasohol fuels. Now if I happen to find a place on the map:
http://pure-gas.org/
If it is close to where I am going I will buy it there. I have noticed a difference in mpg with straight fuel verses the 10% alcohol fuels. For me all of the brands suck, but I will keep Glenn's advice in mind. _________________ 1982 Westy, 1974 412 Variant... Yes, Aircooled's are great! Oh and I do have modern computer controlled vehicles too, but I just don't care about them. |
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joseph928 Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2011 Posts: 2114 Location: flagstaff az.
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:47 pm Post subject: gas |
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Safeway gas, we buy a lot of food, makes the gas cheaper! But then again if it will burn we will come! price! is the god of gas now. _________________ 1987 syncro westy tin top sun roof , GW2.3, rear locker, decoupler, Gary Lee tire rack & winch mount, lift, south african grill, big brakes , rhein alloy ,15 BFG AT, Fiamma 10 foot awning ,140 watt rear 85 watt front solar , mppt, truckfridge, automatic fire extinguishing system, tencent oil cooler, And a RMW SS exhaust! - 1971 bug convertible 1776 engine- 2010 Subaru turbo - 1993 Toyota 4x4 truck - 1999 Harley 95 CI, big bore, Andrews cams . Also 80-84- vans. Stock 65 sunroof bug. |
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msinabottle Samba Member

Joined: September 20, 2005 Posts: 3483 Location: Denver Area, Colorado
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:34 pm Post subject: Top Tier Fuels |
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I listened to a long discussion about this on 'Drive Radio,' a local car repair and maintenance radio show. They were rather firm in recommending what's described on this page:
http://www.toptiergas.com/
All I can say, is that after I switched Winston over to Conoco, he quit eating so many plastic pre-filters, and seems to run and idle better. Mileage went back up to 24 MPG after dipping on the cheaper gas at Sinclair.
I should still replace the pre-filter this season--he's gone two years without a new one!
Best! _________________ 'Winston,' '84 1.9 WBX Westy
Vanagon Poet Laureate: "I have suffered in
many ways, but never, never, never in silence." |
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Jake de Villiers Samba Member

Joined: October 24, 2007 Posts: 5562 Location: Crescent Beach, BC
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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I've used most everything they sell in western Canada and the USA with good results *EXCEPT* for Union 76. Three different vans, three different stations, yet each time the gas caused a niggling high-speed miss on the highway that went away with the next tank of gas.
So, no 76 for me...  _________________ '84 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX
'86 Westy Weekender Poptop/2.5 Subaru/5 Speed Posi/Audi Front Brakes/16 x 7 Mercedes Wheels - answers to 'Dixie'
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morymob Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2007 Posts: 4683 Location: east-tn
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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Being loyal to a gas brand stopped a long time ago, now i just require it being able to lite with a match. |
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madspaniard Samba Member

Joined: August 18, 2008 Posts: 3795 Location: Alameda, CA
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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Costco, no regrets, no ill effects so far...don't see the value of paying extra for Chevron or Shell _________________ 1991 Westy auto w/ Peloquin TBD
"The only difference between me and a madman is that I'm not mad” - Salvador Dali |
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mtwrench540 Samba Member
Joined: October 25, 2009 Posts: 351 Location: monterey,va
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 12:58 pm Post subject: gas |
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i will back you up glenn,my father worked for mobile at a tank farm and across there was exxon and gulf farms,ALL of thier product came down the same big pipeline from N.J.,even diesel! so make your own conclusion,but yes additives are added after the fact! _________________ 87 wolfsberg,74 181w/1915 and lots of patina! learned to fix vw's from hot vw mag in 1964,VWOA instructor,DSM,69 to73,service mgr at different porsche-audi dealers etc,etc,now retired!!! first vw new 64,transplanted 356 eng in 65,400characters are not enough space!! |
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WestyBob Samba Member

Joined: June 11, 2004 Posts: 2346 Location: Portland, Oregon
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: what brand of gas do you feed your Westy |
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I'll echo I use Chevron whenever possible. I'll also use whatever's available in a pinch like Shell, Conoco and Texaco which all worked fine. BP isn't bad but usually very expensive in my 'hood. Overall I just use regular without any problems.
The only problem I ever had in a vanagon is with the local (Portland) Arco sometimes which is notorious for their additives although often cheapest. In my old air-coolers I could usually burn anything, even Arco, but the vanagons (stock) are a little more touchy.
As already mentioned, the small station in the woods that seldom gets visited has a greater chance for introducing water and crud. |
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