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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahwahnee wrote:
This is from my 84, but possibly useful depending on how different yours is:

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This was included with my 1989 Westfalia documentation but my vehicle doesn't have the auto stop system. I am the original owner and haven't had it changed. ??
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jmranger wrote:
...The original attendant filled the tank without he/I noticing...


I had that happen one night in West Yellowstone. The kid wouldn't accept any money because he was convinced the tank didn't take any propane.

I knew the tank was empty (ran out mid-dinner) and confirmed it was full later. Still not sure how he missed it.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Ahwahnee. Yes, i have the same document.

Update, and Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed

The RV shop got the same behavior when attenpting to fill the tank: white smoke and a bit of liquid spitting out. Their verdict: tank's full !!!

We tried the stove, it worked. I lit the fridge, and it's still running as I type, 30 hours later.

So either:
- I incorrectly tested for propane when the fridge turned off (closed main valve???)
- The original attendant filled the tank without he/I noticing
- Magic happened.

Looks like this one will end in the Great Unsolved Mysteries of Life bucket...
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jmranger wrote:
...So question 2: any idea what's going wrong?...


My guess (and it is a guess) is that the outage valve is not being opened enough. Opening until something is coming out isn't necessarily enough -- on my old Autostop that valve had to be opened A LOT before the tank would start taking on LP from the pump.

Possibly the same sheet you have, Step B.a. is what I refer to:

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thread restart with a similar issue

OK, it seems to be my turn to have trouble finding an attendant able to fill the tank. With the last one, I almost did it myself, telling him what to do step by steps, but still failing. I'm heading toward an RV shop tomorrow, but would love to learn in the midtime. So questions:

1) The van is litterally painted underneath with various rustproofing material. Therefore, I had a rough time locating the "red button" that the AutoStop instruction sheet refers to - only to discover that mine looks like the one in this thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=198219 - I guess the red cap was lost at some point. I didn't manage to get to move at all. The button seems more "inside" that what I can see in that picture, and I'm wondering whether it's stuck in the "in" position. Therefore, question 1: what does that reset button do, and what would happen if it was stuck in?

2) Current behavior is:
a- when the "outage valve" (per the AutoStop sheet) is opened, a lot of gas is heard flowing out. Transparent in color, not especially cold, very slight propane smell. The attendant told me that this was air, and that the tank couldn't be filled because it contained too much air (which I strongly doubt). But letting it empty for 15 minutes changed nothing - gas was still being released.
b- when the filling station's pump is started, very quickly, gas out the discharge port changes to white, cold, strong propane smell. Pump meter doesn't turn. After a few seconds, small droplets of liquid are seen through the white gas.
So question 2: any idea what's going wrong?

The tank was last filled in June, 2011, and the fridge turned off due to lack of gas yesterday.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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OK then, please help me to diagnose IF my autostop valve is broken..

How hard is it to depress? When checking my tank for propane I lit the stove for a few minutes, then misted the propane tank. It showed a nice line about 1/3 down from the top - so I gather it's got plenty of propane. But, I cannot depress that reset button to save my life - wanted to get the tank 'topped' but can't get it to take any propane at all - no LP from the overflow - just hiss of gas if I crack it open. Is there a trick to depressing it? Must it/Can it only be depressed when the filling nozzle is connected? Does it have to be held depressed, or will it reset itself once pressed?


It shouldn't be difficult to depress. You may want to try doing it with the tank warmed up (not immediately after use.) It sounds like the internal plunger may have siezed if you can not get any propane into the system.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spitsnrovers wrote:
...The mat is for the attendant to kneel on...


Also handy in case of a roadside breakdown... when you're praying for a miracle.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I carry a pair of pump pliers (the ones with the slip joint and big jaws), plus a foamy mat. I need the pliers to depress the red button on the Auto Stop while the attendant fills the tank.

The mat is for the attendant to kneel on. Its amazing how many times I get a thank you from them.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK then, please help me to diagnose IF my autostop valve is broken..

How hard is it to depress? When checking my tank for propane I lit the stove for a few minutes, then misted the propane tank. It showed a nice line about 1/3 down from the top - so I gather it's got plenty of propane. But, I cannot depress that reset button to save my life - wanted to get the tank 'topped' but can't get it to take any propane at all - no LP from the overflow - just hiss of gas if I crack it open. Is there a trick to depressing it? Must it/Can it only be depressed when the filling nozzle is connected? Does it have to be held depressed, or will it reset itself once pressed?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thank for your response, I understand the Bleeder valve and where the propane would come out from. My deal was that when he closed it it began coming out of the pinhole the OP posted about in this photo


Oh, I see. Well then it sounds like the autostop valve has failed internally. It can be rebuilt but many of us just replace it with the normal valves listed above.

It does sound like the attendant was a bit reckless, but your valve was on borrowed time. My main problem with the attendants is that they overfill my tank. The autostop valve would prevent this! But I'd rather have an occasional tank overfill (which bleeds off slowly) than an autostop valve deciding to leak at any time.


Yep sounds like it, I am going to get it looked at today and don't mind paying 20$ for a cheap lesson learned.

Borrowed time is right and as someone earlier mentioned in the thread, I live in Oregon where you can't pump gas or propane yourself. so to the attendants credit, he had about 5 cars he was gassing when he came over to fill my propane tank. Haste makes waste, especially when it comes to these 25+ year vehicles. Thanks though, it felt as it was something internally but I like to be armed with info before I go into places to get "help"

Edited to say I just saw your post where you said it was around 100$. Would rather have it working than not but maybe the propane shop can help me out... my list of parts to order online is long enough already, plus I wanted to keep my brews cold after a post surf beverage tomorrow! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tishamingo wrote:
Thank for your response, I understand the Bleeder valve and where the propane would come out from. My deal was that when he closed it it began coming out of the pinhole the OP posted about in this photo


Oh, I see. Well then it sounds like the autostop valve has failed internally. It can be rebuilt but many of us just replace it with the normal valves listed above.

It does sound like the attendant was a bit reckless, but your valve was on borrowed time. My main problem with the attendants is that they overfill my tank. The autostop valve would prevent this! But I'd rather have an occasional tank overfill (which bleeds off slowly) than an autostop valve deciding to leak at any time.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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delibessleep wrote:
mad.macs wrote:
delibessleep wrote:
I am about to order the following from Helmar (from a recommendation in an earlier thread):
http://www.helmarparts.com/product_p/7647sc.htm
http://www.helmarparts.com/product_p/3165c.htm


This is one reason I love the Samba. I spent an hour trying to find an inexpensive fill/bleeder valve using the googles. 4 Minutes on the Samba and there they are BOTH valves for $17!+Sh


I have no complaints with these items. Both are great quality and work flawlessly. While I was at it, I replaced the regulator with one from Van Cafe. Works like a charm.


I might have to use these links thanks to the idiot at the Gas Station here in McMinnville. Or am I the idiot for assuming this kid knew what he was doing as he complimented me on my "sick hippie van" as he fumbled beneath hooking up the propane. Ahh live and learn as I was talking to my Father on the phone who is in Thailand at the time and tried to do too much all at once.

Westy's have a strange way of reminding me to slow down and take it easy. Same issue as yours. Closed the bleeder valve and propane still shot out at an angle from beneath the valve out of the pinhole. No way to stop it, got a solid hour in reading the bently hanging out waiting for the tank to drain. Checked the torque on my CV joints I replaced a few weeks ago, actually got some good van maintenance done but it pretty much killed my evening.

I am at work and just scanned the thread but is there any explanation of why it gets redirected out of the pinhole? Do I need a new valve? I am going to the Propane store after work to see if they can help.

The funny part (at least now I can laugh) is that the kid came up and said, I am sorry you have a leaky tank but I still have to charge you for the propane, as it is escaping into the atmosphere.

Sigh, will do more research later, just at my job and have to get back to this thing called work they pay me for.. Thanks Samba!


Sounds exactly like what happened to my auto stop valve. there is a plunger within the thing that weakens over time, and will not create the necessary seal. You can not repair it with any confidence that it will work correctly. I bought the bleeder and fill valve listed in the hyperlinks. They work like a charm. Because I had no history on the condition of the regulator, I replaced it too...and since I was there...I replaced the shut off valve. All ln all, about $100, but the peace of mind was completely worth it.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread got me motivated to fill my tank also, Ive owned it for a year now and never tried to fill it until now. Took it to Zamzows (local lawn and garden shop) some kid came over and told me this is the third one he has filled today. Filled it with 2.8gals with no problem. Lit the burners and flame on!! In the past two days I gotten the sink, stove and refer all to work. I haven't tried the propane setting on the refer yet but she works off of A/C. Now I have to grow some balls and try the BA6 booster heater, Im replacing all the associated fuel lines that go to it first. Thanks to The Samba!!!
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Tishamingo wrote:

I am at work and just scanned the thread but is there any explanation of why it gets redirected out of the pinhole? Do I need a new valve? I am going to the Propane store after work to see if they can help.


First, the bleeder valve is there to let you know when the liquid propane level has reached the level of the bleeder valve. While filling, the attendant will monitor the hole to see when liquid propane starts shooting out, and then that means the tank is full.

The hole in the bleeder valve is there to allow the propane to escape when the bleeder valve is open. If you closed the bleeder and propane still comes out, then the bleeder valve is just bad and it's probably not the attendant's fault.


Thank for your response, I understand the Bleeder valve and where the propane would come out from. My deal was that when he closed it it began coming out of the pinhole the OP posted about in this photo

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I will look at it more later but if I opened the bleeder valve then it would come out of the right spot. Once closed though it began leaking from a different spot very close to the valve out of a pinhole that looks like it should be there.

I had just used the Tank for the fridge and stove multiple times over the past month so it was good as of last weekend.

I am not really blaming the kid but he opened it up full blast with the pumps on and put 3 gallons in the tank in about 15 seconds, then it sprung a leak. I fill the tanks at the nursery for our heaters in the winter and always would take it slow at first, but maybe that was just how I was taught. So who knows, can't blame the kid, just told him to be humble. Just curious if anyone had any experience or advice. I will post the outcome later.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tishamingo wrote:

I am at work and just scanned the thread but is there any explanation of why it gets redirected out of the pinhole? Do I need a new valve? I am going to the Propane store after work to see if they can help.


First, the bleeder valve is there to let you know when the liquid propane level has reached the level of the bleeder valve. While filling, the attendant will monitor the hole to see when liquid propane starts shooting out, and then that means the tank is full.

The hole in the bleeder valve is there to allow the propane to escape when the bleeder valve is open. If you closed the bleeder and propane still comes out, then the bleeder valve is just bad and it's probably not the attendant's fault.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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mad.macs wrote:
delibessleep wrote:
I am about to order the following from Helmar (from a recommendation in an earlier thread):
http://www.helmarparts.com/product_p/7647sc.htm
http://www.helmarparts.com/product_p/3165c.htm


This is one reason I love the Samba. I spent an hour trying to find an inexpensive fill/bleeder valve using the googles. 4 Minutes on the Samba and there they are BOTH valves for $17!+Sh


I have no complaints with these items. Both are great quality and work flawlessly. While I was at it, I replaced the regulator with one from Van Cafe. Works like a charm.


I might have to use these links thanks to the idiot at the Gas Station here in McMinnville. Or am I the idiot for assuming this kid knew what he was doing as he complimented me on my "sick hippie van" as he fumbled beneath hooking up the propane. Ahh live and learn as I was talking to my Father on the phone who is in Thailand at the time and tried to do too much all at once.

Westy's have a strange way of reminding me to slow down and take it easy. Same issue as yours. Closed the bleeder valve and propane still shot out at an angle from beneath the valve out of the pinhole. No way to stop it, got a solid hour in reading the bently hanging out waiting for the tank to drain. Checked the torque on my CV joints I replaced a few weeks ago, actually got some good van maintenance done but it pretty much killed my evening.

I am at work and just scanned the thread but is there any explanation of why it gets redirected out of the pinhole? Do I need a new valve? I am going to the Propane store after work to see if they can help.

The funny part (at least now I can laugh) is that the kid came up and said, I am sorry you have a leaky tank but I still have to charge you for the propane, as it is escaping into the atmosphere.

Sigh, will do more research later, just at my job and have to get back to this thing called work they pay me for.. Thanks Samba!
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This is one reason I love the Samba. I spent an hour trying to find an inexpensive fill/bleeder valve using the googles. 4 Minutes on the Samba and there they are BOTH valves for $17!+Sh


I'm glad you found it useful. Cool
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delibessleep wrote:
I am about to order the following from Helmar (from a recommendation in an earlier thread):
http://www.helmarparts.com/product_p/7647sc.htm
http://www.helmarparts.com/product_p/3165c.htm


This is one reason I love the Samba. I spent an hour trying to find an inexpensive fill/bleeder valve using the googles. 4 Minutes on the Samba and there they are BOTH valves for $17!+Sh


I have no complaints with these items. Both are great quality and work flawlessly. While I was at it, I replaced the regulator with one from Van Cafe. Works like a charm.
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delibessleep wrote:
I am about to order the following from Helmar (from a recommendation in an earlier thread):
http://www.helmarparts.com/product_p/7647sc.htm
http://www.helmarparts.com/product_p/3165c.htm


This is one reason I love the Samba. I spent an hour trying to find an inexpensive fill/bleeder valve using the googles. 4 Minutes on the Samba and there they are BOTH valves for $17!+Sh
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ok, here's what I dug up w/o going out to the garage to read my tag.

Gowesty's site.
http://www.gowesty.com/ec_view_details.php?id=2447

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A shiny new propane tank! Includes internal auto-stop valve, shut-off valve and skid plate. 3.3 gallon capacity. This tank is manufactured by the OEM Supplier Manchester Tank, and is compliant with all Federal Regulations. It is a direct bolt in replacement for all Volkswagen Bus and Vanagon applications
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