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LHG Samba Moderator
Joined: April 13, 2000 Posts: 1855 Location: LostHillsGuy, CA
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:25 am Post subject: Restoration:1966 1200A Model 115 Sedan with Sunroof (Ragtop) |
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First a little background.
I first heard about this car on January 6, 2009. It was up for sale and the owner wanted it to go to someone who could appreciate what it was and keep it stock. After doing a bit of research and checking out the car I made the 700 mile round trip and bought it on January 10, 2009. What followed was an exhaustive research on the car and what would have been correct for this model.
A classic example of "Rare does not mean Valuable".
It's a rare car, a post 1963 factory ragtop is one of those cars you hear about but rarely see. There are only a handful in the US and maybe less than 20 or so world wide. I can't afford some of the more common expensive cars people seek, so I just call this my Hebmueller
I received the Birth Certificate from VW and it confirms that it is a Model 115 which is a 2 door Sedan; Standard Model LHD with sliding roof. One thing I like about this car it doesn't require any explanation about how it was built for this or that special market, or how it happened to come with some odd level of trim. This is just a straight forward, delivered to Germany, stock with no options, 1966 Model 115.
Here is a topic I started to find out more about this model.
1966 European Standard, what was OG
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=336263
Why a complete restoration?
In a word, Rust. For a car that spent a lot of time in California, it's pretty rusty. Most of its life was in San Francisco and then moved to near the river bottom in Chico. Rusty heater channels, cancer bubbles here and there and the drivers side pan was toast. It was also repainted on the outside and needed some body work from getting tapped both front and rear.
Fortunately, it still has most of the Standard parts and hasn't been hacked up. I usually wouldn't take on a car with this much body repair but I'm doing it as a labor of love, or just because I'm foolish!
Restoration Guidlines
Here is the cars Birth Certificate.
Here is a list I made a while back about some of the differences between a 66 Deluxe and Standard.
The car has been completely disassembled and most of the correct parts have been obtained... So now let the fun begin! _________________ Brian O'Kelly
Central Coast Chapter, CA - Vintage Volkswagen Club of America
www.centralcoastvwclub.com
www.facebook.com/groups/vintagevwclub/
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61SNRF Samba Member
Joined: March 29, 2009 Posts: 4657 Location: Whittier 90602
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:12 am Post subject: |
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This is great news Brian, best wishes with your "Heb" project! A worthy candidate indeed.
On the one speed wipers, do they have the self parking mechinism? I remember on my '67 1200A that they didn't, you had to just turn them off in the park position.
Do you know the colors of the top and running boards? Curious if they were black or color keyed to the exterior like a deluxe.
Looking forward to the seeing it progress. _________________ -Bruce
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LHG Samba Moderator
Joined: April 13, 2000 Posts: 1855 Location: LostHillsGuy, CA
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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61SNRF wrote: |
On the one speed wipers, do they have the self parking mechinism? I remember on my '67 1200A that they didn't, you had to just turn them off in the park position.
Do you know the colors of the top and running boards? Curious if they were black or color keyed to the exterior like a deluxe. |
Thanks for the support.
My Wipers are not auto park.
The running boards are black, the fender beading body color, and the ragtop is... I don't know. Blue is NLA so I'll say black
Mine is Sea Blue but this is a good photo of a red 1200A.
_________________ Brian O'Kelly
Central Coast Chapter, CA - Vintage Volkswagen Club of America
www.centralcoastvwclub.com
www.facebook.com/groups/vintagevwclub/ |
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Yustrn JHC Controla
Joined: August 01, 2000 Posts: 5478 Location: Ovaland, CA
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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Brian let me know if you need any sheet metal, I have a wrecked 67 coming in within the next few weeks. which might have some stuff you need.
Eric _________________ I own a copy of "The Car of the Century" by Garwood. This means I am authorized to act like a twat in thesamba forums. |
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LHG Samba Moderator
Joined: April 13, 2000 Posts: 1855 Location: LostHillsGuy, CA
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Eric. Let me know when it comes in.
Pan/Body separation day. Went OK, didn't lose any bolts in the heater channels.
Here is the nasty drivers side pan I had to replace. It had a piece welded over the top, everything had big holes.
Test fitting the WolfsburgWest pan half. It fit PERFECTLY with no trimming and the holes lined up with the body right on.
The body shop welded in the pan and then I brought it home to get the chassis ready to go.
The body is on the dolly (it has attachments to roll it) and is at the paint shop. We'll put this on a truck and take it to get media/sand blasted.
As soon as I got the pan home I tore into the front beam. I need to replace the ball joints and seals.
That's all for now. _________________ Brian O'Kelly
Central Coast Chapter, CA - Vintage Volkswagen Club of America
www.centralcoastvwclub.com
www.facebook.com/groups/vintagevwclub/ |
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61SNRF Samba Member
Joined: March 29, 2009 Posts: 4657 Location: Whittier 90602
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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Nice work Brian. Looks like you're moving right along.
The new pans look great. I curious how they compare to the originals in the area around the pedal stop mounting. Is it stamped the same and does it look like a stock pedal stop bracket will work?
Also since you're at this point, I didn't see anyone answer your question in the other post whether or not they had tar boards in standards. I can tell you for sure the 1200A I had didn't have them. It had plain painted steel under the mats, very much the same as US Bugs after '71 when they cheapened them up.
If I recall correctly the finish is just about like the engine tin would be, about an 80-90% semi-gloss "chassis" black. I think if you find a nice original post '71 California Beetle and lift the floor mats you can see a good example to match. _________________ -Bruce
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clint.lunn Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2010 Posts: 30 Location: saint louis mo
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:46 am Post subject: |
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I am excited to follow this build. You have a great car! I am planning a 1966 build myself. I dig all the research you did to find exactly how to do this resto.
Clint _________________ 1966 Beetle
1966 Chevy II
1967 Chevelle
1967 Chevelle ss |
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LHG Samba Moderator
Joined: April 13, 2000 Posts: 1855 Location: LostHillsGuy, CA
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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The car came back from the blaster today. It got both the sand and soda treatment. We took all the paint off from top to bottom. No real surprises, just a lot of rust that we knew was there. I'm not so sure this car doesn't have some Swiss heritage.
I'll be looking at some donor metal this weekend, hopefully I'll find something solid.
The luggage tray looked good but what is all that sunshine coming from the bottom right
Front clip looks good but the heater channels are toast.
Dash is in good shape and the A pillars are solid.
Clean metal top to bottom.
Looks like it needs a little pull on the drivers side.
_________________ Brian O'Kelly
Central Coast Chapter, CA - Vintage Volkswagen Club of America
www.centralcoastvwclub.com
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Helfen Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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Looks great Brian, The last time I looked at the car with you, I think we both thought it would be much worse especially the rear quarters at the bottom. Amazing the "A" pillars right down to the bottom look solid and no holes in the master cylinder reservoir area or the rear bumper bracket area either. Things should mover right along with this one!
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silvertonguedevil Samba Member
Joined: September 26, 2010 Posts: 1692 Location: Vale, OR
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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I just finished having all of the metal work done on my '63 Rag. Your pictures remind me of what I started with. I'm glad I don't have to do that again. _________________ -Greg |
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MC68 Samba Member
Joined: February 13, 2012 Posts: 2 Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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looking like you are off to a great start.. How did you get the birth cert? I have looked online (not very hard but I swear I looked LOL). |
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LHG Samba Moderator
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LHG Samba Moderator
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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silvertonguedevil wrote: |
I just finished having all of the metal work done on my '63 Rag. Your pictures remind me of what I started with. I'm glad I don't have to do that again. |
I just happened to recently see your topic. You are going to have a beautiful car when you are done. I had searched 1200A and it came up in yours when the "desirable car" issue was being discussed! _________________ Brian O'Kelly
Central Coast Chapter, CA - Vintage Volkswagen Club of America
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LHG Samba Moderator
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silvertonguedevil Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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Oh boy. We are like twins!
Your passenger's side:
My driver's side before being fixed:
_________________ -Greg |
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Morganwerk Samba Member
Joined: December 30, 2000 Posts: 496 Location: Sacramento Valley
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Lookin Good! _________________ Gary
1966 1300 Sea Sand
2003 GTi VR6 |
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LHG Samba Moderator
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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Finally got around to making some progress on the 115.
I got the pan ready to go to the powdercoater. While I'm waiting, today I wirewheeled all the original hardware.
The VW logo-ed tranny bolts are pretty cool.
_________________ Brian O'Kelly
Central Coast Chapter, CA - Vintage Volkswagen Club of America
www.centralcoastvwclub.com
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Morganwerk Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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Keep the updates coming! _________________ Gary
1966 1300 Sea Sand
2003 GTi VR6 |
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Mr. Motorhead Mad Scientist
Joined: January 06, 2004 Posts: 717 Location: Practitioner of 36hp alchemy
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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LHG wrote: |
Finally got around to making some progress on the 115.
I got the pan ready to go to the powdercoater. While I'm waiting, today I wirewheeled all the original hardware.
The VW logo-ed tranny bolts are pretty cool.
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Want to make that hardware look brand new? Throw it all in a plastic jug and fill it with molasses and let it soak for a couple weeks......comes out shiny and clean. The mix is one part molasses and ten parts water. It may smell a little funky but its cheap, it works good and washes off with a plain old wire brush and water. _________________ 30 years experience in the sales of new and used auto parts!
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Or the new site at http://www.bugparts.com
Check out the Bonneville project:
http://aircooledresearch.com/docs/thebonnevilleproject.html#
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mariusstrom Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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Mr. Motorhead wrote: |
Want to make that hardware look brand new? Throw it all in a plastic jug and fill it with molasses and let it soak for a couple weeks......comes out shiny and clean. The mix is one part molasses and ten parts water. It may smell a little funky but its cheap, it works good and washes off with a plain old wire brush and water. |
Yeah, the molasses trick works - even a two-night soak helps a ton. It's an old trick that hanging oil lantern refurbishers use. Makes an amazing difference! _________________ Marius Strom Otto: 1988 Vanagon Syncro Westy Camper
[SOLD] Felix: 1967 Deluxe Beetle |
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