WBX lifter clatter

[RicoS]

[nemobuscaptain]

[Terry Kay]

Uncle Bill reminds me of the Polish guy I worked for back in High School.
Al Pukzta.
Had a 60 Caddy that sat for a long time & he was going to Forida for in a week.
"Son, go take the air cleaner off of the Caddy, and slowly drop this oil into the carb--
Just before it's all gone, flood it out & let it die.
Turn the key off, and put the air cleaner back on, close the hood , and come back in & clean all the paint guns."

I did ask at the end of the day what I was doing out in the back yard doing to the Caddy with that red, sweet smelling oil.

"The damn thing I don't drive too much and it's starting to use a little oil--that red can has some fine machining oil in it, and will loosen up the stuck rings before I leave on the trip"

Yea--right I thought.
Miracle in a can.

Well Uncle Albert left with his old lady--came back to work in two weeks.

OK--How much oil did the car use back & forth?

Not much son--I put half of a quart in in Florida, and when I got home it was still full.

I'm sold, and filed the MMO product info into my grey matter roll-a-dex in my 15 year old pea brain.

This was the same guy that freed up stuck engines & quieted down noisy lifter's in Pontiacs, Oldsmobiles, & Caddies with fuel oil ( and for you kiddies out there that don't know--older GM hydralic lifter's did hang up and stick a lot with straight weight oils-especially with low or no detergent)--more in to file upstairs, and elaborate on here when the timing is right.

You Ute's might be roaring at this stuff--
But I have been there, seen it, and used these processes, more times than I can count.

Guess what--it all works.
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T.K.

[Zeitgeist 13]

For my next act, I'll be pouring a half cup of Ajax down the intake to take the glaze off the cylinder walls--rebuild powder
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Casey--

'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik?

[Terry Kay]

No Son--

To get the job right you gotta use Gabby Hayes endorsed, & approved 20 Mule Team Borax.

That'll cut the glaze off of them slick cylinder walls, right now.

For your next act I'd be thinking seriously about getting the sludge in a can outa your cranckcase.
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T.K.

[RicoS]

[Terry Kay]

Your right Richie--

Back then it was get on with your life, absorb, digest and automaticly grey matter file on the roll, without killing 3/4's of a day pounding on a key board.

Got a problem with your 49 Hudson Hornet?
Dig in and solve it, or in the worst case scenario, make a couple of 5 minute phone calls, read the Chiltons shop manual (if you had one), or call the guys you knew at the corner gas station you hung out at for answer's and get it done.
( Big Slave repayment program--sweep floor's, pump gas for a day, wash the office window's, dump the rolling oil container, restock the outside oil can dispenser's, clean the bathrooms, wash & wax the service truck--whatever)

The worst ordeal was to have to take a trip to Warshawsky's in Boo-Boo land on the South Side, putting your life in limb in jepordy.

Guys out in BFE had to wait-- ordering stuff they needed from the catalog department of the polish parts castle--JC worthless.
Same Place.

I had the opportunity of being a star and hitting the joint live--not via MSN, or Verizon.com. and not being able to digest the Keyboard Cowboy's input on some "I wanna know" forum, and get a bunch of uneducated opinons, no actual hands on answer's.

Life has surley changed, and now I get slapped for my spelling, not the content of the mechanically attune message.

Funny stuff---

Fuel Oil in an Engine?--
What are you crazy?

If the babes only knew--
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T.K.

[Zeitgeist 13]

JC Worthless? That's where I buy all my engine pellets with powdered babbitt to add bearing material back, thus rebuilding my engine from the inside out.
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Casey--

'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik?

[Terry Kay]

One of my favorite items--
them drop in pellets--

There was another high hitter--
Instant valve & ring job in a tube.
Remove the spark plugs and squeeze an equal amount into each hole--button her up, and your good to go.

What a place for the criminally insane, blind , crippled & crazy.

The neighborhood & store was a
circus.
What went on in & outside of the place was an experience that was / is beyond description.

Unbelievable would be short siding it.
You had to be there---

And the icing on the cake was--the place was always packed--wall to wall.
You had to take a number & kill an hour or two just to get to talk to a counterman.

The only high point of this day was you got to stop at some dump--that had the best Vienna hotdogs & fries on the planet for the ride home.
Tomato, onion, relish, slice of garlic dill & hot sport pepper's, on a poppy seed bun--

I could never figure out why the pickled relish was always Neon Green--it glowed in broad daylight.

Tasted Good.
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T.K.

[nemobuscaptain]

[RicoS]

[Zeitgeist 13]

That's seriously creepy...
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Casey--

'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik?

[Terry Kay]

What's That?

The answer to what's wrong with the ride, or the sex ed?

When it came time for the slave labor for a day payoff, the best part of the job was was the winshield wash--and hope that some Femme' Fatale' with a hiked up skirt rolled in needing a fill up.

Showtime--

I'd change her oil & give a grease job--
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T.K.

[Terry Kay]

So what's the answer here?

All's Quiet On The Western Front--
Or are you leaving the Granetelli Jello in the crankcase, and running her till she pukes?

An awful lot of Hubub Bub--and not another word of what the bottom line is.
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T.K.

[Zeitgeist 13]

I already stated that Snake oil #1 failed to address the situation. Anything else I'd post right now would clearly devolve into yet another oil thread shitfest. I'll post up my experiences with Snake oil #2 when I change the engine oil and introduce that product to the environment.
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Casey--

'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik?

[NWB]

It is my opinion that running heavier oils may help with lifter bleed off, but they also contribute to the clatter.

Thinner oils will refill a bleed lifter quicker than thicker oils. If our van sits for long enough that your lifters bleed off, don't expect them to fill up and remove all that air in a timely fashion when you are running 20w-50.
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'85 Westy 2WD
'69 Chevelle SS
'00 Land Rover Discovery

[Terry Kay]

The engine more than likey has miles on it, hasn't been maintained in tip top condition, who knows what oils it has run through it in it's life,and above all else the lifter's springs & pressure valve are all sludged up or just all done.

Running the 20/50 for a high miled motor would be Ok if he would first get the Granetelli glue outa it, run some stove oil in it for 15 --20 minutes ( leave the oil in the current filter ), drop it and then load it up with a quart of MMO & the oil.

It sure won't hurt one thing--and just might quiet them clattering lifter's down.

His worst enemy right now is himself in not driving it often, ( or starting it once in awhile ) and allowing the lifter's to bleed all the way dry--and / or leaving the Aunt Jemima Syrup in the engine.

Clack, Clack, Clack.

Sleeping with the Enemy, & Aunt Jemima.
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T.K.

[morymob]

Lifter clatter pays off sometimes especially from someone who don't know the difference between lifter noise and a rod knock, had thick oil in eng. Got me a real good deal on a '84 a while back, got it home,change oil/filter and no more noise, a good day.

[alnvilma]

"Granetelli Jello" & "Aunt Jemima syrup"!
Thanks Terry, you made milk come out my nose this a.m.
I needed that!
I've found a fresh oil & filter change does wonders, for a while...

[Terry Kay]

I tried to figure out a good way to desscribe the Kayo Syrup engine treatment--
Aunt Jemima came into view.

The Granetelli Bros. were local Flathead Ford speed guru's back in the late 40's early 50's.
They made one heck of an aluminum 3 ace's manifold for the Flathead.
( Very Desirable to this day )

I have no idea where Andy came up with the engine glue treatment.
He sure did make a bunch of money on the stuff, and the plant is / was a couple of miles from me.

I remember reading a Universal Oil Labs engine oil report years ago, and according to them STP caused so much un-godly oil pressure behind the rings ( if they wern't already stuck inside of the lands ) that if you had an engine that was burning oil, the STP would eventually cause it to burn more because it shoved the rings onto the cylinder walls so tight it would wear them out even more.

No rotation, no spring to them---always tight as a fat ladies socks on the cylinder walls.

There is a engine builder 160 miles away from me that does my Small Block Chevy's.
Best that I have found.
Anyway, up front next to his counter, he has a smoked engine block that had been running Granetelli glue in it.

I have never seen anything quite like it.
The sludge is baked onto the inside of the block like a tarred country road--hard as a rock.

Wow--

And because of this visual --this told me without asking any questions the Aunt Jemima ain't no good for nothing--
Maybe---and only maybe it's OK for engine assembly use with a light wipe of the stuff on bearing area's.

I don't think it's going to be freeing up any stuck lifter's in a Wasserleaker.

Your right on the money--
Frequent Oil changes are the best preventative medicine for any engine.

Skip the Glue.
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T.K.