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Syncroincity Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2007 Posts: 1557 Location: New York City
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:49 am Post subject: |
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I was considering the Dapper lights as well, but they're only $10 cheaper, and they are made from those godawful Chinese Ebay light fixtures. That said, they probably ARE an easier fit.
Also, Morimoto makes excellent projectors, and the Dapper units are of unknown origin.
The bulb & ballast combo is the big price difference between the two, and as noted I ordered mine from elsewhere;
http://www.vvme.com/hid-headlights/single-beam-hid...ersion-kit
I've had VVME 4300K headlights and 3000K foglights in my Passat for about 3 years now, completely issue-free. Great bulb/ballast combo for about $27. _________________ '86 Syncro CHC Top AAZ Turbodiesel
'04 Passat Variant 4Mo 5MT
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thatvwbusguy Samba Member
Joined: April 18, 2007 Posts: 1712 Location: Newmarket, New Hampshire
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:02 am Post subject: |
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It looks like mounting depth could be a concern. I would definitely look into the exact dimensions before placing an order, especially considering the fact that the cost for the parts with bulbs and ballasts comes in around $500.00.
The 7" classic series from Dapper Lighting might be an easier transplant for significantly less out of pocket expense. No idea how they would compare quality wise or if they are a drop in fit though. _________________ Jay Brown
'85 Zetec Westfalia
Newmarket, NH
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K58 Samba Member
Joined: July 01, 2006 Posts: 1173 Location: Santa Barbara
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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Nice choice and thanks for the update
Please post pics when installed
All my retrofits have components from TRS. _________________ Westy HID Projector Retrofit |
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Syncroincity Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2007 Posts: 1557 Location: New York City
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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Just an update on this topic; 7" round HIDs are now available off the shelf. Not quite a bolt-in; assembly required and some mechanical skill for fitment to the headlight buckets.
Nice big projectors, a selection of various styles of shrouds to personalize the look. D2S Bulbs & ballasts sold separately. (I opted to get mine from another supplier, theirs are a bit pricey.)
http://www.theretrofitsource.com/complete-headligh...9Mvy6KrHEh
_________________ '86 Syncro CHC Top AAZ Turbodiesel
'04 Passat Variant 4Mo 5MT
Vanagon Build: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=466866&highlight=
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thatvwbusguy Samba Member
Joined: April 18, 2007 Posts: 1712 Location: Newmarket, New Hampshire
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Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:59 am Post subject: |
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I am pretty sure that what you are seeing in the opening part of the video where it appears that the headlights auto-adjust is actually just the rear suspension compressing when the van takes off, which causes the lights to rise.
The self-leveling feature of adaptive headlight systems uses a sensor (or usually two or more sensors) to compensate for changes in the vehicle's suspension based on load, bumps etc. To the best of my knowledge, there is no simple way to add auto leveling to a retrofit HID system. Of course as the saying goes, "with enough time, money and effort anything is possible".
Even without the auto leveling system, the retrofit that K58 did on his van is infinitely more functional and safer than any "plug and play" HID kit using reflector headlights. The fact that it appears that he purposefully aimed his lights a little bit on the low side shows that he cares about other drivers on the road as well. _________________ Jay Brown
'85 Zetec Westfalia
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Titanvw Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2013 Posts: 6 Location: South Africa
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Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:49 am Post subject: Auto Level |
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I see in the vid that your lights go up and down (auto level). Did the HID fixtures come with this or was it manual leveling (via inside switch).
Looks good but I have an SA variety and need the round lights. Still looking for a decent one that has all the right electronics and lighting angles. _________________ Gone from sitting in traffic to above
Past cars include a long list of vw's (lots of MK1 2dr golfs, a couple of MK4's and even an original 1500 diesel caddy)
Had 2 A4 B6 avants (nice rides)
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K58 Samba Member
Joined: July 01, 2006 Posts: 1173 Location: Santa Barbara
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jtenright Samba Member
Joined: September 27, 2013 Posts: 42 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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Nice work!!! Thanks for the write up too, looks amazing. _________________ 87 Westfalia, GoWesty 2300, WBXexhaustSS, 16x7.5 GW Wheels, South African "Big Brakes", 2WD Lift Springs/Bilstein, Truckfridge, Solar.
2001 Audi TT Quattro 1.8T 225
2001.5 Audi A4 1.8T Quattro, SOLD as original owner to fund my Westy Dreams
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IdahoDoug Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2010 Posts: 10251 Location: N. Idaho
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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Actually the newer factory HIDs come not only with auto leveling, but also aiming correction as you drive so when these drivers come over a rise in the road they don't blind you. That's been the case in Europe for a decade as their research found the "hobby horse-ing" over undulations was a blinding issue so the headlamps can constantly adjust. Wish our gummint would get off their fat butts and update our lighting laws... Ours are among the worst in the world - including 3rd world countries. It is well known outside the US that our lighting laws are in place to protect our US lighting suppliers by having unique (and lower quality) standards. Thanks, Washington DC!!
DougM _________________ 1987 2WD Wolfsburg Vanagon Weekender "Mango", two fully locked 80 Series LandCruisers. 2017 Subaru Outback boxer. 1990 Audi 90 Quattro 20V with rear locking differential, 1990 burgundy parts Vanagon. 1984 Porsche 944, 1988 Toyota Supra 5 speed targa, 2002 BMW 325iX, 1982 Toyota Sunrader |
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dr. no Samba Member
Joined: August 06, 2004 Posts: 578 Location: Santa Fe
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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the higher quality cars with HID lighting have ato-leveling to ensure the beams don't blind other drivers
this would be esp. important on a Van where the load varies greatly from one drive to another |
Speaking on behalf of all other drivers on the road: This should be mandatory with lights this intense. Installation doesn't matter if they are shining in my eyes, and out here where the roads are two-lane, winding and hilly, no installation or levelling will do it. I'm just glad most of my neighbors drive cars of similar vintage... _________________ Scott
http://lungehphoto.com
'83.5 Westy s/p 1.6td JX and 4sp DK transplant--wonderful!
'86 MB 300GD
'06 MB Sprinter
'17 BMW X1
'89 Isuzu Trooper
PAST VWs:
'82 NA diesel Vanagon
'86 7-passenger Vanagon
'77 Bay
'71 Bay
'74 Things (2)
'69 Karmann Ghia (the only one I miss--in nice weather, anyway...)
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tristessa Samba Member
Joined: April 07, 2004 Posts: 3992 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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Phishman068 wrote: |
Aren't there 7'' HID lenses and lights that should be a drop in for an SA grill or round headlight grill? |
Yeah, someone posted 'em earlier in the thread.
I've been tinkering with a pair of E46 projectors and some cheapo 7" H4s but without a big bubbled lens they'll be way too deep for my Bay or the Fastback project. Might be able to use them in the wife's Benz, could definitely put them in the Cabriolet... |
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Phishman068 Samba Member
Joined: February 19, 2007 Posts: 1868 Location: Pittsburgh PA (ish)
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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Aren't there 7'' HID lenses and lights that should be a drop in for an SA grill or round headlight grill? |
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Crankey Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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Not if he did it the right way, and he absolutely did |
actually, I notice if your driving on a road that isn't dead flat, oncoming headlights flash at you due to bumps in the road...looking like they are flashing their brights at you. it's annoying. couldn't that be a factor ?
driving in most of the city, I barely need headlights at all. some streets are defiantly under-lit but not all. |
the higher quality cars with HID lighting have ato-leveling to ensure the beams don't blind other drivers
this would be esp. important on a Van where the load varies greatly from one drive to another |
wow, cool to know. |
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insyncro Banned
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 15086 Location: New York
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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This is one sweet addition to a Vanagon...whatever the price.
Thanks for posting this and the links. |
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randywebb Samba Member
Joined: February 15, 2005 Posts: 3815 Location: Greater Metropolitan Nimrod, Orygun
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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Crankey wrote: |
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Not if he did it the right way, and he absolutely did |
actually, I notice if your driving on a road that isn't dead flat, oncoming headlights flash at you due to bumps in the road...looking like they are flashing their brights at you. it's annoying. couldn't that be a factor ?
driving in most of the city, I barely need headlights at all. some streets are defiantly under-lit but not all. |
the higher quality cars with HID lighting have ato-leveling to ensure the beams don't blind other drivers
this would be esp. important on a Van where the load varies greatly from one drive to another _________________ 1986 2.1L Westy 2wd Auto Trans. |
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K58 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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Keane wrote: |
Nicely done! Thanks for the writeup. It looks like TRS put a small writeup about this retrofit on their website.
http://www.theretrofitsource.com/retrofit_examples.php?retrofits_id=2
I just finished up a retrofit on my subaru (all sourced from the retrofit source, great company) and prior to that I had never driven a car with an HID setup before. The light output of the bi-xenons is phenomenal, and now I think I'm spoiled. I can definitely see doing this in the future. Come to think of it, I'm surprised GoWesty or the like hasn't developed a kit yet.
Thanks for doing this the right way. A blob of purple HID light glaring from halogen housings blinding everyone is one of the most obnoxious things on the road. |
Hey, thanks for noticing!
Yep, Matt saw some pics of my Westy and asked me if I'd like to be featured on the new site. I told him I would be honored.
I'd like to think a VW supplier might offer an hid kit but judging from what I've seen it would be too expensive and/or not enough interest.
Are you on hidplanet? Love to see some pics of your Subaru? _________________ Westy HID Projector Retrofit
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Crankey Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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Not if he did it the right way, and he absolutely did |
actually, I notice if your driving on a road that isn't dead flat, oncoming headlights flash at you due to bumps in the road...looking like they are flashing their brights at you. it's annoying. couldn't that be a factor ?
driving in most of the city, I barely need headlights at all. some streets are defiantly under-lit but not all. |
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90Doka_Guy Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:20 am Post subject: |
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Nicely done! Thanks for the writeup. It looks like TRS put a small writeup about this retrofit on their website.
http://www.theretrofitsource.com/retrofit_examples.php?retrofits_id=2
I just finished up a retrofit on my subaru (all sourced from the retrofit source, great company) and prior to that I had never driven a car with an HID setup before. The light output of the bi-xenons is phenomenal, and now I think I'm spoiled. I can definitely see doing this in the future. Come to think of it, I'm surprised GoWesty or the like hasn't developed a kit yet.
Thanks for doing this the right way. A blob of purple HID light glaring from halogen housings blinding everyone is one of the most obnoxious things on the road. _________________ -'87 Westy
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Syncroincity Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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K58 wrote: |
Thank you and I think the round headlights would compliment the projectors better. I thought it would be fun to do a quad setup with an SA grille. What do you think? |
Yeah, I looked into doing that, with a set of BMW 5" projectors, unfortunately the steering column box behind the grille is in the way on the left side,
there's not enough clearance for a deep light...
I got the Morimotos from Retrofit as well, they are a great outfit, and really know their stuff.
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maybe "the looks you get from other motorists is priceless" because you are blinding them |
Not if he did it the right way, and he absolutely did... the meatsticks that put HID bulbs inside incandescent fixtures are the ones polluting the night. The projector lense and the cutoff shield inside the real HID fixture ensure proper light distribution. The key here is using a true HID light fixture, not just a bulb, and mounting it inside a clear-lensed surround suitable to the vehicle. Visit the retrofit source linked in the post above, they have lots of info about this, it's some really interesting stuff.
There are also ready-made 7" round HID replacement assemblies, but they're pushing $700, the Hummer crowd seems to like them...
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randywebb Samba Member
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maybe "the looks you get from other motorists is priceless" because you are blinding them _________________ 1986 2.1L Westy 2wd Auto Trans. |
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