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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 8:27 pm    Post subject: Steering Column Flange Bushing Replacement Reply with quote

I got some of these from Van Cafe as I have a clunk in the steering (They are now back in stock).

http://www.van-cafe.com/home/van/page_211_311/steering_column_flange_bushing.html

I did a search and found a couple of threads about them, but I am still having a difficult time visualizing this install.

The Bentley (pg. 48.2, 48.3) doesn't really describe the job all that well. So, am I taking the entire steering column off to get to these bushings or do I just need to pull the bolts that hold them out with some vice grips? How are those round headed bolts held in there?
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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found this link. Thanks to the poster. I think I get it now, once I loosen the steering column, the top column should drop down revealing the flange and providing access to the bushings. The bolts that secure the steering column to the body are what keep the flange bushings in place.

The link says to remove the cone bolts holding the top bracket with vice grips, but how do you get them back in?

http://picasaweb.google.com/musomuso/SteeringBushing#5349474688463980242
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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's see if I remember it correctly:

Steering wheel comes off ...think that was a 24mm.

The arms for turn signal comes off after you use a screwdriver to take out the 3 or so tiny screws.

This exposes a bushing over the steering column.
That bushing is about an inch long.
I use a vise grip to work it up.
Don't use the vise grip too tightly, it'll really gouge up that bushing.

Then the whole column drops down.

Once you put the new pieces in, I use a vice grip to hold it together until I can get that top bushing in place and the steering wheel etc back on.

Looking at tubaneils pics, he has the whole column propped up with a 2x4 because he's got the whole column separated for some other job maybe. This is NOT necessary for what you're doing. No need to remove those 2 brackets as shown in his first pic.
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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No - you don't need to remove the steering wheel or the blinker switches, etc. Just the large nuts that hold the steering column to the dash, and then the cone bolts that also hold it to the dash. Then the steering column can telescope apart where those two bushings go down lower to the floor. Pay attention so you don't let the steering wheel pivot 180 and bolt it up that way.

The cone bolts (known as breakaway bolts) come out with determined clamping with nice new vice grips or strong hands on channel locks. They go back in the same. This is simple - don't worry that it's complicated.

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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IdahoDoug wrote:

The cone bolts (known as breakaway bolts) come out with determined clamping with nice new vice grips or strong hands on channel locks. They go back in the same. This is simple - don't worry that it's complicated.

DougM

My "cone" bolts were so tight, I had to file a little flat on them to get the Vise-Grips to truly hold. Didn't need much a flat to do the job. YMMV
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gauche1968 wrote:
Found this link. Thanks to the poster. I think I get it now, once I loosen the steering column, the top column should drop down revealing the flange and providing access to the bushings. The bolts that secure the steering column to the body are what keep the flange bushings in place.

The link says to remove the cone bolts holding the top bracket with vice grips, but how do you get them back in?

http://picasaweb.google.com/musomuso/SteeringBushing#5349474688463980242


I didn't post it in that album but IIRC, I just used vicegrips to put cone bolts back in. Some ditch the cone head bolts and install regular bolts.

Looking at album again, I really should check that dimension "a" ! Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Steering Column Flange Bushing Replacement Reply with quote

I replaced these bushings today and I have some questions regarding the Bentley's "dimension a":


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It states Dimension a in the above figure should be 3.5 mm. As we see below, that is the thickness of the bushing's flange:

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so that when installed, we see it like this:

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I am assuming this is what is meant by "a"? and not an additional gap of open space between the rubber and the metal flange of the steering column.

What I don't understand is how the Bentley says "place shims under bracket (upper arrow) to adjust height." Here is a picture of the upper bracket, you can see the screwdriver pointing to where my shims/washers are.

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But how would shimming that dimension change dimension a?

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The shims would adjust in the direction of the red arrows above, while dimension a (blue arrows) seems better controlled by the vice grips pictured.

This might seem minor but I've found that looseness in the old bushings was the root of all my steering woes, and now I'd like to get it right. Has anyone else puzzled over this dimension?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:06 am    Post subject: Re: Steering Column Flange Bushing Replacement Reply with quote

I can see the idea of putting shims under the upper bracket to adjust equal spacing between the forward edge and rear edge of the two mating pieces.

Which is why I believe they state "turn the column 90 degrees". There, I suspect they are saying "rotate the steering wheel 90 degrees".

The shims would prevent compressing or stretching the space between the two mating surfaces during rotation of the steering wheel.

But it appears that a simple adjustment in the slots of the upper bracket is all that is required to adjust the 3.5mm space specified.

I've never done this adjustment, but that is how I read it.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IdahoDoug wrote:
. . . The cone bolts (known as breakaway bolts) come out with determined clamping with nice new vice grips or strong hands on channel locks. . . .


Maybe once-upon-a-time, but now, fortunately, "nice new vice grips" are made in God-forsaken China.

An easier way, I've found, to remove those break-to-torque fasteners is to carefully cut a fair slot on their diameters with a thin abrasive wheel, then undo them with a hefty slotted screwdriver. They can also be reused in the reverse.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:46 am    Post subject: Re: Steering Column Flange Bushing Replacement Reply with quote

cawvin wrote:
. . . But how would shimming that dimension change dimension a? . . .


It will equalize the "a" dimension on both sides of the coupling, keeping the planes of upper and lower flanges somewhat parallel and the centers of rotation of the upper and lower steering shafts sorta co-linear.

Look, put away those digital calipers and don't sweat that 3.5 mm spec so much - as long as the clearance is about a heavy 1/8" and the coupling rotates without glitchs or binding, you're good to go.

Reminds me of what military grunts say, "Measure it with a micrometer, mark it with a piece of chalk, cut it with a chainsaw."

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:37 am    Post subject: Re: Steering Column Flange Bushing Replacement Reply with quote

RicoS wrote:


It will equalize the "a" dimension on both sides of the coupling, keeping the planes of upper and lower flanges somewhat parallel and the centers of rotation of the upper and lower steering shafts sorta co-linear.

Look, put away those digital calipers and don't sweat that 3.5 mm spec so much - as long as the clearance is about a heavy 1/8" and the coupling rotates without glitchs or binding, you're good to go.

Reminds me of what military grunts say, "Measure it with a micrometer, mark it with a piece of chalk, cut it with a chainsaw."

Richie (near The City of Champions)


thats a funny expression.

I agree. Thats my take on it; you want the upper column "square" to lower column. If gap "a" was not the same at each side, I'd guess that one other issue might be premature uneven wear at the ID of each rubber bushing. (pegs would be cockeyed in each ID of each bushing)

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