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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:28 am    Post subject: Re: Adding a second battery..how to...with photos Reply with quote

DONGKG wrote:
Question: can the alternator with 55 amps properly ccharge the two batteries epically the main battery? Thanks in advance.


I have the 55 amp alternator and it seems to work just fine. Note that the alternator is not used to charge your battery. It provides 13.5-14.5 Volts to the battery while driving so that your battery is not drained by the electronics in your bus.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 1:43 am    Post subject: Re: Adding a second battery..how to...with photos Reply with quote

Question: can the alternator with 55 amps properly ccharge the two batteries epically the main battery? Thanks in advance.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Adding a second battery..how to...with photos Reply with quote

Honestly, I have been thinking of installing an aux battery that can be used during camping without however draining the main battery when staring the engine. Your explanations makes it look like installing the same is just like a walk in the park. And I appreciate that you share your insights on this. Again, thanks for the very important info!

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 10:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Adding a second battery..how to...with photos Reply with quote

Hi, my apologies if I should be starting a new thread, but I want to ask questions based on what's been said here so far, and ask for some input…

I have a 76 transporter, and I want to add an RV battery for aux/camping use. It's not a westfalia, so I don't have a shore input (although theoretically I'd like one). I've been basically convinced to follow Aeromech's advice as posted in multiple threads, namely to get the Blue Sea Addabatt 7610, with the Maxi fuse, and the 12 fuse box with negative bus installed up front. I think I'm also supposed to add inline fuses at ea positive terminal, and I think there's another thing I'm currently forgetting (not a pun).

There are two things that are causing me to not order the above items until I get feedback:

WhirledTraveler has advocated for the more expensive magnetic ACR, I guess so he can use a solar charger (I'd like that option, but money is an issue and I live in Seattle). Is the difference a big deal or can I overcome the solar input issue and the over-time drain buy using Aeromech's $5 relay addition?
I want to convert the interior to a Japanese-style tea room, with room for two people to sit, and I can serve tea (and have music, and run a laptop and the like). I have a Japanese tea kettle, and have bought a Samlex pure sine wave inverter http://samlexamerica.com/products/ProductDetail.aspx?pid=505 (this has been an ongoing ambition for some time and it takes forever to come up with this kind of money, but anyway). I recently bought the Samlex install kit, which consists of cable, and a 300a MRBF Terminal Fuse block https://www.bluesea.com/products/5191/MRBF_Terminal_Fuse_Block_-_30_to_300A (I suspect the kit cost more than the parts, but I try to follow a recipe).

DO I hook up the inverter to the Aux battery and at the same time on the same terminals hook up the AddaBatt and the Aux wiring scheme as above, as if they were disinterested in each other? Or do I somehow have to connect the inverter into the AddaBatt sequence? For that matter, if I want to add a shore power plug, do I need a separate power converter and or is that a third connection to the terminals (WhirledTraveler mentioned this, and I am interested in recommendations)? If I do that am I complicating my other agenda, namely making hot water?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've been reading through multiple posts but can't seem to find a definitive answer to my simple question. Which deep cycle battery (make/size) is recommended for an aux battery? What are you using? The common answer I keep seeing is "get the biggest that will fit." Was hoping not to have to "try on" batteries. Thanks so much!


There is no definitive answer. I can tell you that I use a Die Hard Platinum AGM in group size 65 and it fits perfectly. It's currently $250 but you might find it on sale, I think I paid $180. It's the same battery as an Odyssey.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been reading through multiple posts but can't seem to find a definitive answer to my simple question. Which deep cycle battery (make/size) is recommended for an aux battery? What are you using? The common answer I keep seeing is "get the biggest that will fit." Was hoping not to have to "try on" batteries. Thanks so much!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright, guys. I finally got it wired up (minus the fuse box). I didn't use anything overly interesting for my own, just what I had laying around other than the solenoid. Would you guys mind hopping over to the link below to check the wiring is correct?

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7851573&highlight=#7851573

My bus is simply a test subject, aesthetics are not a consideration. If anyone wants a full, pre-made kit, I could come up with something really nice using a USA made Cole Hersee insulated solenoid, USA made 8 & 10g wire, genuine VW 3-way and cloth shrink wrapped. Let me know if there is interest.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LivinInnaVWBus wrote:

I was looking at this one before I even read the post to see the updates. I won't settle for anything other than USA or German made, options are limited. The 85A should be fine for a typical gen/alt, but what are your thoughts on a 90A alt? I'm upgrading as I'll be running a Fantastic fan and a 55 watt solar grape cooler.


Although you will not see max alt. current all the time. I would get a solenoid rated 20% higher than the max current for longevity. Maybe a golf cart solenoid.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boat supply stores have marine circuit breakers
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tcash wrote:
This one is insulated.
http://www.colehersee.com/home/item/cat/169/24117/

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I was looking at this one before I even read the post to see the updates. I won't settle for anything other than USA or German made, options are limited. The 85A should be fine for a typical gen/alt, but what are your thoughts on a 90A alt? I'm upgrading as I'll be running a Fantastic fan and a 55 watt solar grape cooler.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BusPriest wrote:
Should fuse panels be fused? I realize that sounds redundant.... That's why I ask.

To protect the cable to the fuse panel you could use a maxi fuse or a circuit breaker. Install it as close to the battery as possible.

These are pretty neat. They hook right up to the battery.
https://www.bluesea.com/products/category/16/72/Fuse_Blocks/Terminal_Fuse_Blocks

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should fuse panels be fused? I realize that sounds redundant.... That's why I ask.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I got this off amazon the other day

PAC-80 80-Amp Relay Battery Isolator

That should do it.

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Instructions say to link two batteries together on main terminals. 12v constant on small and ground on other small. Going to use 4 gauge wire and add 2 audio fuses, one between each battery and post. Hopefully this is the correct way?

Should be fine. Not sure you need two fuses - one on the aux battery should do it.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This one is insulated.
http://www.colehersee.com/home/item/cat/169/24117/

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got this off amazon the other day
PAC-80 80-Amp Relay Battery Isolator https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001EAWS6O/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_k.BWvbC6V8RX4
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001EAWS6O/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_k.BWvbC6V8RX4

Instructions say to link two batteries together on main terminals. 12v constant on small and ground on other small. Going to use 4 gauge wire and add 2 audio fused, one between each battery and post. Hopefully this is the correct way?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be inclined to use something like this for connecting batteries together, rather than a Bosch cube relay.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellentttttttt! Thank you Sir!
I'll get supplies on order.
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Gregg in the 603 wrote:
Website says out of stock. That seems to be happening a lot with German Supply. Any other sources?


LivinInnaVWBus wrote:
I just spoke with Scott@German Supply, he said it's not lucrative enough for him to make these at this time as they are so labor intensive. He is searching for a company to make them and taking names for a waiting list but from the sounds of it, I'm guessing it will be NLA.


If I can get a wiring diagram for it, I'll likely make a few out of high temp, high gauge cloth covered wiring with NOS German Bosch relays.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Website says out of stock. That seems to be happening a lot with German Supply. Any other sources?
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