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BayCreamPuff Samba Member
Joined: August 10, 2015 Posts: 769 Location: Oakland, CA
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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:28 am Post subject: Re: Adding a second battery..how to...with photos |
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DONGKG wrote: |
Question: can the alternator with 55 amps properly ccharge the two batteries epically the main battery? Thanks in advance. |
I have the 55 amp alternator and it seems to work just fine. Note that the alternator is not used to charge your battery. It provides 13.5-14.5 Volts to the battery while driving so that your battery is not drained by the electronics in your bus. _________________ Cream Puff
'79 CA Stock FI Deluxe Campmobile
Earl Grey
'87 GoWesty 2.2 Westfalia
Marsha Mellow
'00 Eurovan VR6 Full Camper |
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DONGKG The Araneta Boys
Joined: August 28, 2006 Posts: 5475 Location: Cainta, Rizal, Philippines, "A Certified Type 3 and Karmann Ghia Maniac"
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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 1:43 am Post subject: Re: Adding a second battery..how to...with photos |
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Question: can the alternator with 55 amps properly ccharge the two batteries epically the main battery? Thanks in advance. _________________ '67 KG Cabrio (Mickey) ;
'66 Type 3 (Sharky 2)
'72 Type 2 Homey
'67 Splitty Bus
'65 beetle;'69 Country Buggy; '44 Kubelwagen (replica) TOOB MEMBER #20 |
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DONGKG The Araneta Boys
Joined: August 28, 2006 Posts: 5475 Location: Cainta, Rizal, Philippines, "A Certified Type 3 and Karmann Ghia Maniac"
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:39 pm Post subject: Re: Adding a second battery..how to...with photos |
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Honestly, I have been thinking of installing an aux battery that can be used during camping without however draining the main battery when staring the engine. Your explanations makes it look like installing the same is just like a walk in the park. And I appreciate that you share your insights on this. Again, thanks for the very important info!
Dong _________________ '67 KG Cabrio (Mickey) ;
'66 Type 3 (Sharky 2)
'72 Type 2 Homey
'67 Splitty Bus
'65 beetle;'69 Country Buggy; '44 Kubelwagen (replica) TOOB MEMBER #20 |
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xfrench Samba Member
Joined: January 15, 2007 Posts: 55 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: Adding a second battery..how to...with photos |
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Hi, my apologies if I should be starting a new thread, but I want to ask questions based on what's been said here so far, and ask for some input…
I have a 76 transporter, and I want to add an RV battery for aux/camping use. It's not a westfalia, so I don't have a shore input (although theoretically I'd like one). I've been basically convinced to follow Aeromech's advice as posted in multiple threads, namely to get the Blue Sea Addabatt 7610, with the Maxi fuse, and the 12 fuse box with negative bus installed up front. I think I'm also supposed to add inline fuses at ea positive terminal, and I think there's another thing I'm currently forgetting (not a pun).
There are two things that are causing me to not order the above items until I get feedback:
WhirledTraveler has advocated for the more expensive magnetic ACR, I guess so he can use a solar charger (I'd like that option, but money is an issue and I live in Seattle). Is the difference a big deal or can I overcome the solar input issue and the over-time drain buy using Aeromech's $5 relay addition?
I want to convert the interior to a Japanese-style tea room, with room for two people to sit, and I can serve tea (and have music, and run a laptop and the like). I have a Japanese tea kettle, and have bought a Samlex pure sine wave inverter http://samlexamerica.com/products/ProductDetail.aspx?pid=505 (this has been an ongoing ambition for some time and it takes forever to come up with this kind of money, but anyway). I recently bought the Samlex install kit, which consists of cable, and a 300a MRBF Terminal Fuse block https://www.bluesea.com/products/5191/MRBF_Terminal_Fuse_Block_-_30_to_300A (I suspect the kit cost more than the parts, but I try to follow a recipe).
DO I hook up the inverter to the Aux battery and at the same time on the same terminals hook up the AddaBatt and the Aux wiring scheme as above, as if they were disinterested in each other? Or do I somehow have to connect the inverter into the AddaBatt sequence? For that matter, if I want to add a shore power plug, do I need a separate power converter and or is that a third connection to the terminals (WhirledTraveler mentioned this, and I am interested in recommendations)? If I do that am I complicating my other agenda, namely making hot water? _________________ '76 Transporter 2L F.I.
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WhirledTraveller Samba Member
Joined: January 09, 2008 Posts: 1399 Location: Cambridge, MA
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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DHMaher wrote: |
I've been reading through multiple posts but can't seem to find a definitive answer to my simple question. Which deep cycle battery (make/size) is recommended for an aux battery? What are you using? The common answer I keep seeing is "get the biggest that will fit." Was hoping not to have to "try on" batteries. Thanks so much! |
There is no definitive answer. I can tell you that I use a Die Hard Platinum AGM in group size 65 and it fits perfectly. It's currently $250 but you might find it on sale, I think I paid $180. It's the same battery as an Odyssey. _________________ 1977 Westy, Automatic. Big Valve heads, CS Cam. |
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DHMaher Samba Member
Joined: November 16, 2009 Posts: 787 Location: Portland, Oregon
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 12:26 am Post subject: |
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I've been reading through multiple posts but can't seem to find a definitive answer to my simple question. Which deep cycle battery (make/size) is recommended for an aux battery? What are you using? The common answer I keep seeing is "get the biggest that will fit." Was hoping not to have to "try on" batteries. Thanks so much! _________________ Daniel
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LivinInnaVWBus Samba Member
Joined: October 07, 2013 Posts: 968
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:21 am Post subject: |
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Alright, guys. I finally got it wired up (minus the fuse box). I didn't use anything overly interesting for my own, just what I had laying around other than the solenoid. Would you guys mind hopping over to the link below to check the wiring is correct?
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7851573&highlight=#7851573
My bus is simply a test subject, aesthetics are not a consideration. If anyone wants a full, pre-made kit, I could come up with something really nice using a USA made Cole Hersee insulated solenoid, USA made 8 & 10g wire, genuine VW 3-way and cloth shrink wrapped. Let me know if there is interest. |
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:30 am Post subject: |
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LivinInnaVWBus wrote: |
I was looking at this one before I even read the post to see the updates. I won't settle for anything other than USA or German made, options are limited. The 85A should be fine for a typical gen/alt, but what are your thoughts on a 90A alt? I'm upgrading as I'll be running a Fantastic fan and a 55 watt solar grape cooler. |
Although you will not see max alt. current all the time. I would get a solenoid rated 20% higher than the max current for longevity. Maybe a golf cart solenoid.
Good Luck
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grandpa pete Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2008 Posts: 6426 Location: St. Petersburg, FL
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LivinInnaVWBus Samba Member
Joined: October 07, 2013 Posts: 968
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Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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I was looking at this one before I even read the post to see the updates. I won't settle for anything other than USA or German made, options are limited. The 85A should be fine for a typical gen/alt, but what are your thoughts on a 90A alt? I'm upgrading as I'll be running a Fantastic fan and a 55 watt solar grape cooler. |
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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BusPriest wrote: |
Should fuse panels be fused? I realize that sounds redundant.... That's why I ask. |
To protect the cable to the fuse panel you could use a maxi fuse or a circuit breaker. Install it as close to the battery as possible.
These are pretty neat. They hook right up to the battery.
https://www.bluesea.com/products/category/16/72/Fuse_Blocks/Terminal_Fuse_Blocks
Good luck
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BusPriest Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2014 Posts: 420 Location: Denver, Co
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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Should fuse panels be fused? I realize that sounds redundant.... That's why I ask. _________________ 1977 Champagne Transporter Custom Camper.
SOHC EJ25, tubbed, wagenswest
Work in progress build thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=619684
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telford dorr Samba Member
Joined: March 11, 2009 Posts: 3555 Location: San Diego (Encinitas)
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:10 am Post subject: |
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That should do it.
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Instructions say to link two batteries together on main terminals. 12v constant on small and ground on other small. Going to use 4 gauge wire and add 2 audio fuses, one between each battery and post. Hopefully this is the correct way? |
Should be fine. Not sure you need two fuses - one on the aux battery should do it. _________________ '71 panel, now with FI
'Experience' is the ability to recognize a mistake when you're making it again - Franklin P. Jones
In theory, theory works in practice; in practice, it doesn't - William T. Harbaugh
When you're dead, you don't know you're dead. The pain is only felt by others.
Same thing happens when you're stupid. - Philippe Geluck
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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BusPriest Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2014 Posts: 420 Location: Denver, Co
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telford dorr Samba Member
Joined: March 11, 2009 Posts: 3555 Location: San Diego (Encinitas)
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:06 am Post subject: |
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I'd be inclined to use something like this for connecting batteries together, rather than a Bosch cube relay. _________________ '71 panel, now with FI
'Experience' is the ability to recognize a mistake when you're making it again - Franklin P. Jones
In theory, theory works in practice; in practice, it doesn't - William T. Harbaugh
When you're dead, you don't know you're dead. The pain is only felt by others.
Same thing happens when you're stupid. - Philippe Geluck
More VW electrical at http://telforddorr.com/ (available 9am to 9pm PST) |
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LivinInnaVWBus Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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Excellentttttttt! Thank you Sir!
I'll get supplies on order. |
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Tcash Samba Member
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LivinInnaVWBus Samba Member
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Gregg in the 603 wrote: |
Website says out of stock. That seems to be happening a lot with German Supply. Any other sources? |
LivinInnaVWBus wrote: |
I just spoke with Scott@German Supply, he said it's not lucrative enough for him to make these at this time as they are so labor intensive. He is searching for a company to make them and taking names for a waiting list but from the sounds of it, I'm guessing it will be NLA. |
If I can get a wiring diagram for it, I'll likely make a few out of high temp, high gauge cloth covered wiring with NOS German Bosch relays. |
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Gregg in the 603 Samba Member
Joined: April 13, 2013 Posts: 404 Location: New Hampshire, USA
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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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Website says out of stock. That seems to be happening a lot with German Supply. Any other sources? _________________ 1979 Mexico Beige Westy auto
Dirty Dover, NH |
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