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Blue Label Samba Member
Joined: March 15, 2010 Posts: 2
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:08 pm Post subject: Is it possible to make spacers to lift the front suspension? |
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Has anyone used spacers to lift the front of their vans? I know about the back end, but I haven't heard of anyone lifting the front the same way. Please share what you've done to get one inch of lift. Also have no budget for new springs so spacers seem my only option at this time. Thank you.
Anders _________________ '85 Vanagon Westfalia |
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syncroserge Samba Member
Joined: November 26, 2005 Posts: 553 Location: Okotos, Alberta, Canada
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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I got this from the French syncro club website where it is a common way
to lift the front. I passed it along to a couple of friends, one syncro and
one 2wd and they both liked the result.
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fredn Samba Member
Joined: May 27, 2010 Posts: 332 Location: Vancouver
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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Some people have cut spacers for the springs out of cutting board material. Use the search, this has been discussed before. _________________ 1982 Air Cooled Vanagon Carat Weekender Interior
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...most are doing what most auto forum participants do, parroting things they've heard |
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werksberg Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2005 Posts: 2151 Location: Prescott Valley, AZ
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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By the time & money you spend on making a special spacer, you could have proper & correct srings. _________________ Werksberg Products....Products that work!
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SyncroGhia Samba Member
Joined: August 21, 2009 Posts: 2458 Location: Highnam, UK
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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There are several companies already offering front spring spacers for Syncros.
Syncro Services are just one of them...
http://www.syncro-services.com/mitte_lift_eng.html
I'm using 20mm spacers along with 2WD heavy duty springs on the front of Limey as I the only thing I could find which was stronger or longer were Seikel springs and they're just expensive!!
MG _________________ T3 Syncro 16 S6 Westfalia Limey SOLD
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K58 Samba Member
Joined: July 01, 2006 Posts: 1173 Location: Santa Barbara
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, a lot of owners like myself are trying to save money on a small lift so I resent when someone say's something like "you should do a proper lift with springs"...especially when there the one's selling the springs...LOL |
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1621 Samba Member
Joined: May 15, 2006 Posts: 2174
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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Serge,
Those spacer plans are perfect. I'd planned on doing this a while back but never got around to it. I've got springs from Van Cafe that settled at about 17" that I wanted to raise a bit more. Not having to deal with buying new springs and sorting out all the settlement issues would be the way to go.
Now, if there were any machine shops (RMW *cough cough*) that could whip some of these out for us lesser skilled enthusiasts that would be even better.
SyncroGhia - when you added the 20mm spacer up front, how much did it increase the front ride height? I understand lifting the front is not as straight forward as lifting the rear. Thanks. _________________ '85 Westy |
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syncroserge Samba Member
Joined: November 26, 2005 Posts: 553 Location: Okotos, Alberta, Canada
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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1621 wrote: |
Serge, Those spacer plans are perfect. |
I have them in pdf, metric and standard. If you'd like them send me
a pm. |
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Vsyevolod Samba Member
Joined: August 07, 2009 Posts: 205 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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I've been thinking along these same lines (of lifting the front of my 2WD '88 Westy). My reason is that since I put new 16" wheels and Nokian tires on, I'm hitting the tires on the top of the wheel well, every time I enter a driveway at over 3 MPH (seriously). Oh, and yes, I have new springs (from Syncro.org) and new shocks (Koni's, set to 3/4 of the possible stiffness).
I like the plans, what material is specified for them? I also like the idea of the plastic cutting board. Two questions along that line, regardless of what material I use, what keeps the spring from sliding off the spacer? And could I cut a slot in the spacer to more easily slip it around the shock absorber without having to remove the shock just to put the spacer in? In other words, instead of a full circle, can I make it a 'C' with the smallest of kerfs?
Also, will I throw off my new expensive wheel alignment with the addition of spacers? Should I add them to the rear as well just to even out the lift?
Stephen
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canasync Samba Member
Joined: June 28, 2010 Posts: 656 Location: BC
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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I was talking to a mechanic friend of mine about this as he has lifted a few 2wd and 4wd vanagons. He pointed out that you don't want to put too much of a spacer into the front spring because you want the van to maintain the range of travel in the front strut and it could bottom out if the spacer is too big.
If you want a bigger budget lift you could have someone make a set of brackets like Tristar Eric had for his front suspension in the camo syncro.
And yes you should get an alignment anytime that you make these kind of suspension changes. _________________ 1987 Syncro
3 knobs
PumpeDüse TDI (17mm Garret Turbo, bigger injectors, stage 4 malone tune, intercooled)
Cruise Control
Remote Start/locks
Custom Lift
Custom Bumpers with receivers
Coast Mountain Hightop - Comming Soon
1985 2wd Vanagon Pre-runner in the making
soon to be powered by 2.5L Subaru
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1621 Samba Member
Joined: May 15, 2006 Posts: 2174
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for forwarding the plans Serge. I'll try contacting a couple fabricators to get some idea on costs. _________________ '85 Westy |
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1621 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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canasync wrote: |
I was talking to a mechanic friend of mine about this as he has lifted a few 2wd and 4wd vanagons. He pointed out that you don't want to put too much of a spacer into the front spring because you want the van to maintain the range of travel in the front strut and it could bottom out if the spacer is too big.
If you want a bigger budget lift you could have someone make a set of brackets like Tristar Eric had for his front suspension in the camo syncro.
And yes you should get an alignment anytime that you make these kind of suspension changes. |
Canasync, I believe that modification would only work a Syncro. The 2wd could still potentially top out the shock, but if the user is aware of the suspension's limits, then it could made to work.
I completely agree that the spacer should still fit within the spring cup. The inner diameter "sleeve" could help retain the spring's position, and if the spacer was grooved in order to receive the spring - this may also help with keeping the spring in place. Thanks for noting this and reminding us of Eric's Syncro suspension mod. _________________ '85 Westy |
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canasync Samba Member
Joined: June 28, 2010 Posts: 656 Location: BC
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry I wasn't paying attention, I didn't realize that it is for a 2wd. _________________ 1987 Syncro
3 knobs
PumpeDüse TDI (17mm Garret Turbo, bigger injectors, stage 4 malone tune, intercooled)
Cruise Control
Remote Start/locks
Custom Lift
Custom Bumpers with receivers
Coast Mountain Hightop - Comming Soon
1985 2wd Vanagon Pre-runner in the making
soon to be powered by 2.5L Subaru
Custom Lift |
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fredn Samba Member
Joined: May 27, 2010 Posts: 332 Location: Vancouver
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1621 Samba Member
Joined: May 15, 2006 Posts: 2174
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Fred, but if you notice this topic is for the front springs, the ones you've linked to pertain to the rear. The spacers for the front would be very different from the rear due to suspension geometry. _________________ '85 Westy |
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Blue Label Samba Member
Joined: March 15, 2010 Posts: 2
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the schematic and information. I have a friend whose a good machinist and may be able to help. _________________ '85 Vanagon Westfalia |
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ragnarhairybreeks Samba Member
Joined: October 26, 2009 Posts: 1890 Location: Sidney B.C. Canada
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