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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:08 pm    Post subject: Is it possible to make spacers to lift the front suspension? Reply with quote

Has anyone used spacers to lift the front of their vans? I know about the back end, but I haven't heard of anyone lifting the front the same way. Please share what you've done to get one inch of lift. Also have no budget for new springs so spacers seem my only option at this time. Thank you.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got this from the French syncro club website where it is a common way
to lift the front. I passed it along to a couple of friends, one syncro and
one 2wd and they both liked the result.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some people have cut spacers for the springs out of cutting board material. Use the search, this has been discussed before.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the time & money you spend on making a special spacer, you could have proper & correct srings.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are several companies already offering front spring spacers for Syncros.

Syncro Services are just one of them...

http://www.syncro-services.com/mitte_lift_eng.html

I'm using 20mm spacers along with 2WD heavy duty springs on the front of Limey as I the only thing I could find which was stronger or longer were Seikel springs and they're just expensive!!

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, a lot of owners like myself are trying to save money on a small lift so I resent when someone say's something like "you should do a proper lift with springs"...especially when there the one's selling the springs...LOL
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Serge,

Those spacer plans are perfect. I'd planned on doing this a while back but never got around to it. I've got springs from Van Cafe that settled at about 17" that I wanted to raise a bit more. Not having to deal with buying new springs and sorting out all the settlement issues would be the way to go.

Now, if there were any machine shops (RMW *cough cough*) that could whip some of these out for us lesser skilled enthusiasts that would be even better.

SyncroGhia - when you added the 20mm spacer up front, how much did it increase the front ride height? I understand lifting the front is not as straight forward as lifting the rear. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1621 wrote:
Serge, Those spacer plans are perfect.


I have them in pdf, metric and standard. If you'd like them send me
a pm.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been thinking along these same lines (of lifting the front of my 2WD '88 Westy). My reason is that since I put new 16" wheels and Nokian tires on, I'm hitting the tires on the top of the wheel well, every time I enter a driveway at over 3 MPH (seriously). Oh, and yes, I have new springs (from Syncro.org) and new shocks (Koni's, set to 3/4 of the possible stiffness).

I like the plans, what material is specified for them? I also like the idea of the plastic cutting board. Two questions along that line, regardless of what material I use, what keeps the spring from sliding off the spacer? And could I cut a slot in the spacer to more easily slip it around the shock absorber without having to remove the shock just to put the spacer in? In other words, instead of a full circle, can I make it a 'C' with the smallest of kerfs?

Also, will I throw off my new expensive wheel alignment with the addition of spacers? Should I add them to the rear as well just to even out the lift?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was talking to a mechanic friend of mine about this as he has lifted a few 2wd and 4wd vanagons. He pointed out that you don't want to put too much of a spacer into the front spring because you want the van to maintain the range of travel in the front strut and it could bottom out if the spacer is too big.

If you want a bigger budget lift you could have someone make a set of brackets like Tristar Eric had for his front suspension in the camo syncro.

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And yes you should get an alignment anytime that you make these kind of suspension changes.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for forwarding the plans Serge. I'll try contacting a couple fabricators to get some idea on costs.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

canasync wrote:
I was talking to a mechanic friend of mine about this as he has lifted a few 2wd and 4wd vanagons. He pointed out that you don't want to put too much of a spacer into the front spring because you want the van to maintain the range of travel in the front strut and it could bottom out if the spacer is too big.

If you want a bigger budget lift you could have someone make a set of brackets like Tristar Eric had for his front suspension in the camo syncro.

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And yes you should get an alignment anytime that you make these kind of suspension changes.


Canasync, I believe that modification would only work a Syncro. The 2wd could still potentially top out the shock, but if the user is aware of the suspension's limits, then it could made to work.

I completely agree that the spacer should still fit within the spring cup. The inner diameter "sleeve" could help retain the spring's position, and if the spacer was grooved in order to receive the spring - this may also help with keeping the spring in place. Thanks for noting this and reminding us of Eric's Syncro suspension mod.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry I wasn't paying attention, I didn't realize that it is for a 2wd. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=380912&highlight=cutting+board

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4385237

In this second thread you will find a suggestion to use chevy s10 springs in the front.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fredn wrote:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=380912&highlight=cutting+board

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4385237

In this second thread you will find a suggestion to use chevy s10 springs in the front.


Thanks Fred, but if you notice this topic is for the front springs, the ones you've linked to pertain to the rear. The spacers for the front would be very different from the rear due to suspension geometry.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the schematic and information. I have a friend whose a good machinist and may be able to help.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've started to make some modest lift spacers. Just using what I have lying around and only shooting for around 1" lift.

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more here:

http://shufti.wordpress.com/2012/07/17/vanagon-syncro-front-spring-pad/

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