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Stinkonia Samba Member
Joined: June 09, 2012 Posts: 5 Location: Pensacola Florida
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:25 pm Post subject: Reverse lights |
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Ok so I hear it's common, but I was poking around in my 73 standard and I find a blown fuse common off my coil, I said " who knows what that will fix" will it broke reverse took the fuse out reverse works again. My question how can I go backwards and still have reverse lights |
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dubllyou Samba Member
Joined: May 24, 2012 Posts: 1251 Location: Jack & Cee Motors
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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Let me see if I understand you correctly. You replaced a burnt fuse and the car won't go backwards?
Can you be more clear?
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EVfun Samba Member
Joined: April 01, 2012 Posts: 5481 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:46 pm Post subject: Re: Reverse lights |
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Stinkonia wrote: |
Ok so I hear it's common, but I was poking around in my 73 standard and I find a blown fuse common off my coil, I said " who knows what that will fix" will it broke reverse took the fuse out reverse works again. My question how can I go backwards and still have reverse lights |
If I understand you correctly when the fuse is out (or blown) you can back up fine but when you have a good fuse in that holder the engine dies when you put it in reverse. If that is the case you most likely have a partial short in the reverse light system. You may also have poor quality connections between the ignition switch and the coil that make the voltage at the coil drop too low with the added load of the reverse lights.
If the reverse lights actually work (even if poorly) and if the fuse doesn't blow when you put it in reverse while running then you need a second person to check the voltage at the coil when you put it in reverse. If the voltage drops more than 1 volt you will need to fix the electrical connections from the ignition coil forward to the ignition switch unless the reverse light fuse blows within a 10 seconds. If you don't need to fix the wiring from the ignition switch then the problems lie between the fuse and the reverse lights on the fenders. |
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HappyPill77 Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2012 Posts: 19 Location: West Virginia
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:23 pm Post subject: No reverse lights |
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I have a 1974 Beetle with no reverse lights. I am worried it will fail state inspection tomorrow.
All of my other lights work.
All of my fuses look OK (in the fuse box under the dash with 12 fuses).
The crappy Advanced Auto Parts place only had a multi-pack with 2-8a fuses.
Q) Is there another in-line fuse for the reverse lights I need to look for? If so, where is it?
Thanks in advance!
HappyPill77
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vw-jeeper-jeff Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2005 Posts: 96 Location: New Castle, PA
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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Make sure it is connected to the correct post on the coil. I had mine on the wrong post last week and every time I would put it in reverse it killed the engine. _________________ Wifes 1971 VW PITA Bug
Why did she have to buy such an odd year bug! |
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EVfun Samba Member
Joined: April 01, 2012 Posts: 5481 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: No reverse lights |
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HappyPill77 wrote: |
I have a 1974 Beetle with no reverse lights. I am worried it will fail state inspection tomorrow.
All of my other lights work.
All of my fuses look OK (in the fuse box under the dash with 12 fuses). |
The reverse light fuse in is the engine compartment. It is a black inline fuse holder off of the ignition coil. I still haven't fixed the reverse lights on my wife's '79 (no inspection to worry about) because the wire got caught up in the fan belt by the previous owner. A chunk of the wire in the engine compartment has been pulled apart and the middle lost. _________________
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76938 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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The reverse lights should be on the "15" terminal on the coil which is the positive side. If you put it on the "1" side which is the points, your engine will stall every time you put it in reverse. _________________ Glenn
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EVfun Samba Member
Joined: April 01, 2012 Posts: 5481 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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Glenn wrote: |
The reverse lights should be on the "15" terminal on the coil which is the positive side. If you put it on the "1" side which is the points, your engine will stall every time you put it in reverse. |
Then you won't need reverse lights. _________________
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HappyPill77 Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2012 Posts: 19 Location: West Virginia
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the info. I looked for the wire with the inline fuse in the engine compartment. All I found was a wire with a three prong connector with no matching partner wire to connect it to. There are two other green wires that come from the engine and are just zip-tied together not connected.
I guess I need to untie these green wires and identify the parts that they are connected to!
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dubllyou Samba Member
Joined: May 24, 2012 Posts: 1251 Location: Jack & Cee Motors
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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One of those green wires is hooked to the oil pressure sending unit and should go to the oil warning indicator light in the dash. I'll bet that light doesn't come on with the key, does it?
The other wire is from the points/condensor to the coil. It's probably hooked up or the car wouldn't run. _________________ Two wrongs don't make a right...
three lefts do.
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TjdTaylor Samba Member
Joined: July 04, 2011 Posts: 1727 Location: Niagara Falls, Ontario
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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its a good prank to put somebodys reverse light wire on the points side. Everytime the car is put in reverse, turns the car off. Check that somedody didnt do this to you. _________________ 1974 SuperBeetle Build
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ashman40 Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2007 Posts: 15985 Location: North Florida, USA
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:48 am Post subject: |
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Look at the wires connected to your ignition coil.
One black wire should come from the wire harness and connect to the #15 (+) terminal on the coil
Another black wire should run from this same terminal to the carb idle cutoff solenoid. The wire should daisy-chain from the solenoid to the other side of the carb and end at the choke coil.
A third black wire should come from the ignition coil terminal and run to an inline fuse holder on the fan shroud that looks like this:
That wire should continue around the right side of the fan shroud and exit the engine compartment through a hole in the firewall tin. You can see the hole on the left side of this tin where the metal angles:
The wire then goes to the reverse light switch in the tranny. Then it returns through the same hole (be sure there is a grommet here) before splitting into two wires that run to each of the tail lights, and end at the reverse lights. _________________ AshMan40
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Cadaver Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2012 Posts: 2338
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Gumboguy Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2010 Posts: 63 Location: New Orleans
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 7:44 pm Post subject: 74 bay window back up light fuse location? |
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Wheres the dad gum fuse for the back up lights on a 74 bus? I see that the older years have one coming off the coil. I dont see one on my bus. The lights have worked in the past, now they dont.
I replaced the switch on the tranny because it was bad. I metered the leads and get no power to the switch. So I have a disconnect somewhere.
Please advise. |
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ashman40 Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2007 Posts: 15985 Location: North Florida, USA
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 6:03 am Post subject: |
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Maybe you need to post this in the Bus (T2) forum?? _________________ AshMan40
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TheStanfordWagen Samba Member
Joined: October 06, 2013 Posts: 99 Location: Dresden, Ohio United States
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:29 am Post subject: |
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Unless you're really OCD, you can run reverse lights, without the inline fuse. Just wire it up according the wiring diagram, without the fuse for your model year. _________________ 1968 Type 1 - Royal Red --- Built: September, 1967
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pbnj Samba Member
Joined: August 14, 2015 Posts: 157 Location: Texas
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 9:58 am Post subject: |
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I've heard back up lights are not required for state inspection. Just a convenience for us to backup. Don't forget about the backup switch too _________________ 1977 Super Convertible |
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sjbartnik Samba Member
Joined: September 01, 2011 Posts: 5998 Location: Brooklyn
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:30 am Post subject: |
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pbnj wrote: |
I've heard back up lights are not required for state inspection. Just a convenience for us to backup. Don't forget about the backup switch too |
Well, that would depend on the state. _________________ 1965 Volkswagen 1500 Variant S
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pbnj Samba Member
Joined: August 14, 2015 Posts: 157 Location: Texas
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:50 am Post subject: |
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Never saw anyone test for that- just brake lights _________________ 1977 Super Convertible |
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sjbartnik Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 11:41 am Post subject: |
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pbnj wrote: |
Never saw anyone test for that- just brake lights |
Again, depends on the state. 50 states, probably 50 different rules.
Here in NY they do check it. One of the other places I lived the reverse lights themselves were not required but if they were there they had to work.
"check your local laws"
Also would likely depend on the year of the car; I think reverse lights were not required federally until maybe 1968 or so model year. Most states base their lighting requirements off of what was required by US Govt. so the carmakers don't have 50 different standards to meet just to sell cars in the US. _________________ 1965 Volkswagen 1500 Variant S
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