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t3hw4h Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2011 Posts: 136 Location: vancouver, BC
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:39 am Post subject: springs - options! |
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I currently have weitec lowering springs on my 91 westy with koni shocks, which is a little too low unfortunately.
i want a lower ride height and don't want to go back to the stock springs, which ride too high for cornering in my opinion - so options:
1) carat springs - hard to find and of dubious age and quality.
2) springs from avo UK - should i go with the 30, 50 or 70 mm?
3) moog springs? there's a little said about them on the forum, but they seem like a dark horse?
if you have pics of a westy with any of the above springs installed please post up, i need to make the right decision this time. |
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Jake de Villiers Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2007 Posts: 5911 Location: Tsawwassen, BC
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:10 am Post subject: |
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There's a set of Carat springs for sale in Mission or Maple Ridge on Vancouver C/L right now...
The AVO 30mm are an aftermarket replica Carat spring. As far as I'm concerned, anything lower is for specialised use, not your daily driver. IMHO, YMMV _________________ '84 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX
'86 Westy Weekender Poptop/2.5 Subaru/5 Speed Posi/Audi Front Brakes/16 x 7 Mercedes Wheels - answers to 'Dixie'
@jakedevilliersmusic1
http://sites.google.com/site/subyjake/mydixiedarlin%27
www.crescentbeachguitar.com
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t3hw4h Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2011 Posts: 136 Location: vancouver, BC
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:12 am Post subject: |
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I'm on CL right now and I can't find them!
Could you PM me the link? |
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t3hw4h Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2011 Posts: 136 Location: vancouver, BC
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:13 am Post subject: |
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unless you mean the doka misc parts link.. which aren't carat springs. |
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Jon_slider Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2007 Posts: 5091 Location: Santa Cruz, Crowdifornia
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:20 am Post subject: |
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> don't want to go back to the stock springs, which ride too high for cornering in my opinion -
plenty of people corner fine with stock springs, maybe your van needs some other details fixed, not springs
how are your ball joints, tie rod ends, alignment, steering rack bushings, and are your tires rated for vanagon?
imo, shocks, tire inflation, and tire sidewall strength have a bigger impact on body roll than springs. _________________ My Soapboxes: Inflation; Handling; Gearing; Decoupling; Swepco |
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climberjohn Samba Member
Joined: January 11, 2005 Posts: 1840 Location: Portland Orygun
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:34 am Post subject: |
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Consider an Addco front sway bar for improved cornering. I felt it helped a LOT. (The general thought here is that a rear sway bar is not really needed unless you drive in a very spirited manner.)
Try a Samba-search on < addco 719 >
Much has been written here on this topic.
I have a 25mm model #719 Addco front sway bar and am very happy with it. I paid $190 for the sway bar from shox.com, and $20 for two 19mm bushings from VanCafe.
-CJ _________________ '86 Westy, 2.5 Subaru power
Know your limits. Exceed them often. |
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t3hw4h Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2011 Posts: 136 Location: vancouver, BC
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:40 am Post subject: |
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anti-swaybar fine, but i'm not going back up to stock spring height.. it's just too jacked up for my liking. |
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Jake de Villiers Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2007 Posts: 5911 Location: Tsawwassen, BC
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t3hw4h Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2011 Posts: 136 Location: vancouver, BC
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah I've phoned the Langley dude.. he said they sold months ago, he really needs to take that ad down hehe.
Jay has my number as soon as he stumbles on some carat springs |
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j_dirge Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2007 Posts: 4641 Location: Twain Harte, CA
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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t3hw4h wrote: |
anti-swaybar fine, but i'm not going back up to stock spring height.. it's just too jacked up for my liking. |
Don't underestimate how well a stock height or lifted rig with a tuned suspension will handle.
Ground clearance is your friend. _________________ -89 GL Westy, SVX.. finally.
-57 pan f/g buggy with a 67 pancake Type 3 "S"
"Jimi Hendrix owned one. Richard Nixon did not"
-Grand Tour, Season 1, episodes 4 and 5
danfromsyr wrote: |
those are straight line runs with light weight race cars for only 1/4mile at a time..
not pushing a loaded brick up a mountain pass with a family of 4+ inside expecting to have an event free vacation..
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Franklinstower Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2006 Posts: 1896 Location: PNW
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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Since no one cares that you specifically state you don't want rhe stock ride height, try the search for belltec speings. They make a lowering spring for s10's that fit the front but are stiffer. I dont lnow of any rear oprions. _________________ '89 Westy - EJ25/22 Frank 4.44 5mt
'75 Miami Blue Sunroof FI Standard Bug |
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Jake de Villiers Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2007 Posts: 5911 Location: Tsawwassen, BC
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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t3hw4h wrote: |
Yeah I've phoned the Langley dude.. he said they sold months ago, he really needs to take that ad down hehe.
Jay has my number as soon as he stumbles on some carat springs |
Bummer! I see them on the local Craig's every once in a while... _________________ '84 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX
'86 Westy Weekender Poptop/2.5 Subaru/5 Speed Posi/Audi Front Brakes/16 x 7 Mercedes Wheels - answers to 'Dixie'
@jakedevilliersmusic1
http://sites.google.com/site/subyjake/mydixiedarlin%27
www.crescentbeachguitar.com
www.thebassspa.com |
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t3hw4h Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2011 Posts: 136 Location: vancouver, BC
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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what i'm really hoping for is someone who has bought the avo 30mm springs so i can see what they look like. |
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Larry Davick Samba Member
Joined: August 31, 2011 Posts: 75 Location: Fremont, California U.S.A.
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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I'm hoping to find some air-springs to replace the coil springs in the rear. That way I can raise/lower the rear to level the bus at a campsite or compensate for additional load. _________________ 1981 Westy Automatic
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t3hw4h Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2011 Posts: 136 Location: vancouver, BC
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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that's gonna be a costly setup! |
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j_dirge Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2007 Posts: 4641 Location: Twain Harte, CA
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:43 am Post subject: |
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Larry Davick wrote: |
I'm hoping to find some air-springs to replace the coil springs in the rear. That way I can raise/lower the rear to level the bus at a campsite or compensate for additional load. |
Look here for some discussion, mixed..
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4...p;start=20
Use the search.. a couple Samba memebers have airbag suspension _________________ -89 GL Westy, SVX.. finally.
-57 pan f/g buggy with a 67 pancake Type 3 "S"
"Jimi Hendrix owned one. Richard Nixon did not"
-Grand Tour, Season 1, episodes 4 and 5
danfromsyr wrote: |
those are straight line runs with light weight race cars for only 1/4mile at a time..
not pushing a loaded brick up a mountain pass with a family of 4+ inside expecting to have an event free vacation..
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t3hw4h Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2011 Posts: 136 Location: vancouver, BC
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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btw I did some measurements on the ride height:
Front: 13.5"
Rear: 14.5"
Seems a little excessive for a 45mm drop spring.. |
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240Gordy Samba Member
Joined: May 15, 2008 Posts: 2354 Location: Vancouver, BC
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