1938 vw pins, kdf stamps, 1936 youth knife

[Hacksaw-BoB]

OK Bob,

Looking forward to seeing it !!

I might have seen it in your display cabinet at the show but was not aware of its rareness and didn't take more time to look and drool

Thanks . . . BoB
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[53 0val]

[Hacksaw-BoB]

Interesting that this is the card #5 and the red stamps calculate to the remainding 190RM (990RM KdF Wagen and 200RM Insurance).

Then there is 60RM in those 4RM brown stamps.

There is a space on the back of the card for the Sonderausführungen & Transportskosten 4RM stamps.

Since there was no transportation actually offered meaning you had to pick up you KdF Wagen yourself at the factory.

The only other thing was Sonderausführungen (something extra) and the only extra thing available would be a sunroof at 60RM.

Take a look at the #4 card in this photo. The owner ordered a sunroof and the Sonderausführungen of 60RM is added to the bill.

He actually paid 20RM on card #2 and #3 towards the Sonderausführungen.

In the case of your card, there is no Sonderausführungen listed and since transportation was not offered, I believe your card holder ordered a sunroof at the last moment when paying full on this card #5. Therefore the additional 60RM.

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[53 0val]

Perfect assessment Bob.

I purchased the card from the son of the original owner. It thankfully was not redeemed. I know the family was well off, and it seems VW's were no longer their "style" during the redemption timeframe.
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[IN2VWS]

Great info....
So what is the deal with the red and blue savings cards?
It looks like there is more info on the red books. Is the red book the fifth and final book, and the 4 previous books blue?
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[Hacksaw-BoB]

To this day we still do not know why there were both red and green stamps as well as the blue and red cards. They were all used during the same time period. Some of the Sparkarte books had both the red and green stamps pasted in them. Also the Sonderausführungen of 60RM for the sunroof was sometimes paid for with the red or green 5RM stamps instead of the 4RM brown stamps. I have not seen a blue card with the 4RM brown stamps.
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[Hacksaw-BoB]

I agree Bob with what you have observed. Good Info !! If other owners of KdF Savers cards would post photos of their cards for reference, that would be GREAT

Also, when the saver bought a weekly stamp (minumum but you could buy as many as you wanted) they were sometines given a receipt but not always.

Here is a rare receipt I have dated May 15, 1939 in which a saver bought 3 KdF stamps for weeks May1, May 8 and May 15 . . . .

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[Hacksaw-BoB]

Perhaps the value of those green KdF Wagen stamps are coming down

http://www.ebay.com/itm/360471006934
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[bigdish2]

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My examination concerning the yellow and blue cards: The date on the yellow cards means: the date the card was given to the saver. On the blue cards the date means: the date when contract was signed.But if you look on the date of the stamps or other hints on the blue cards, the change from yellow with red stamps to blue with green stamps happened at the end of 1941 orbeginning of 1942. I know two yellow cards with red and green stamps. I haven´t seen any blue one with red stamps, but this would be possible if the saver has some of the red on stock before he got a blue card. Recently I found a newsletter that contains some interesting infos why they have changed the Sparkarten. The newsletter describes that from the 1st of january 1942 on the organisation changes. Almost all tasks are transfered from the smaller "Kreis" to the larger "Gau". They made that because of the limitation of staff because of the ongoing war. The blue cards have a field for the seal of the Gau and my yellow ones have field for the name and the seal of the Kreis. They had to change the cards and changed the color as well.    Another new interesting aspect: new application forms had to be filled with an additional phrase stating that the 1RM fee is already paid (with the seal and signature of the officer in charge). That's why there is no blue card with the small 1 RM stamp. Frank
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[53 0val]

"Stamps on stock" seems to be an issue. It is my understanding that when the stamps were purchased, you got a receipt, and the stamps were put in the book and date cancelled at that time. You did not get the stamps unless you had the book. Stamps were not taken home and placed in books by the buyer at a later date. You retained the receipt but not the stamps. Therefore, your concern about "stamps on stock" could not have referred to the buyer. It is possible, I suppose, the the selling agent may have had "earlier" stamps left over, but we are dealing with a government agency and not a private business here. I doubt SERIOUSLY that old stamps were recycled into the new books. In fact, I believe the Reich changed the system to help prevent possible counterfeiting at the Gau level. That is why you "never" see the later stamps in early books IMO. I do not purchase books with books that are not correctly cancelled, because most serious collectors consider them faked. Books of this nature show up at local gun shows or antique fairs on a regular basis, but is unlikely to find a correctly "cancelled" book outside of collecting community, at least here in the States.
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[Hacksaw-BoB]

Thanks Frank and Bob for your information.

[53 0val]

[Hacksaw-BoB]

OK Bob,

I understand and appreciate your point.

For me is does not matter if the stamps are cancelled or not.

Just the fact alone that the stamp was purchased and pasted in the book is good enough for me.

Sometines the cancellation can get carried away and take away from the cool design of the stamp itself.

Either way, these books cancelled or not are rare, historical and collectable.

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[BulliBill]

Bump!

Okay here are a few photos of my KDF stamp savings booklet. This is #4 of the series for an Engineer from Graz, Austria. I wonder what that street address looked like back in 1945, or what it looks like today?

Here are the stamps with the dates hand-written on each of them.

Here is a close-up of the oldest dated stamp in this fourth booklet...

...and the newest/last dated stamp in this booklet.

Man! That was getting close to the end of WWII!

So, any thoughts about this one. For insurance purposes, what value should I cover it for? This literature is not for sale. I'm just curious about what it's replacement value would be today...

Bill
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Coeur D'Alene - Lake Shore Volkswagen
Mission VW - San Fernando
Thornton VW - Stockton

Thanks for any help!

[BulliBill]

Bump... anyone have an idea on the current value (Insurance value) of a KDF card like the one in my photos above?

Bill
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I'm looking for these license plate frames for my fleet:
Coeur D'Alene - Lake Shore Volkswagen
Mission VW - San Fernando
Thornton VW - Stockton

Thanks for any help!

[BulliBill]

Hi all,

The only reason I asked about the insurance value of the above is that last Summer I brought two items to a taping of the popular PBS show "Antiques Roadshow" down in Little Rock, AR (July 2015). One of them was the KDF Stamp Savers card seen above. I thought I might try to stump the PBS Roadshow appraisers with something that they probably haven't seen or knew how to appraise.

Sure enough, the appraiser had never seen one or knew about them. She searched her tablet for recent sales or comparables, and could only find a sale of one individual stamp for about $80. She had no idea how to appraise a full book (she thought it might bring a minimum of $600, and I ended up telling her a brief history of the card and how the program worked.

Yep, I stumped the appraiser! Now she is more ready for any of you who make it to a taping of the PBS "Antiques Roadshow" with your treasured KDF Stamp Savers Card.

So, any guesses how much one might be worth (again, for insurance purposes, I'm not selling mine ever!)?

Bill Bowman

p.s. Back in 2012 at another taping of the show down in Corpus Christi, TX, I was asked to have my appraisal of another item filmed for a segment in the show. If you'd like to check out that 3:20 minute clip from the show, go to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnm1QzbMgDk

and enjoy my 3:20 minutes of fame on the "Roadshow".

Bill
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I'm looking for these license plate frames for my fleet:
Coeur D'Alene - Lake Shore Volkswagen
Mission VW - San Fernando
Thornton VW - Stockton

Thanks for any help!

[bibon]

53 0val - you have posted a picture of the card with 4RM stamps for shipment and options. This stamp is very rare! Can't find its clear image anywere, nor anywhere for sale. Could you post a crips image of it? Thanks!

[Jacco Verveer]

Maybe the best place to post this

Locker or tool tag