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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:08 pm    Post subject: Waterboxer Inc Rebuilds Reply with quote

Has anyone had any experiences with this company Waterboxer Inc. from N.C. the prices are reasonable and the core program looks better than the others
http://www.waterboxer.com/engines/vw-22l-vanagon-performance-engine

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They must be truly amazing:

"In Automatic or Stickshift Vanagons it is smooth and powerful cruising at 85 MPH is effortless... " Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe this is just another attempt by Ken Morgan (Jake, et al) to fool people into believing there is a new better rebuild option available. Do some checking to be sure...but otherwise AVOID!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

please explain who's Ken Morgan
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2...p;start=80

and

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=475554&highlight=ken+morgan
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn, Thanks for the warning, I would love a 2.5 GW but can't handle warranty guide lines with rebuilding the cooling system which is fine.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, this one has SCAM written all over it

The whois data for waterboxer.com is private.

http://www.waterboxer.com/contact-us gives the following information:

120 Century West Ct. Unit 695
Cary, NC. 27513
Phone: 919-279-3338
Email: [email protected]

Neither Google nor MapQuest can find this address, or even the street.
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Plugging the phone number into Google leads to here:

http://outletengines.com/

with this contact info:

Street Address: 120 Centrewest Court Suite 692
Cary, NC, 27513
Phone: 919-279-3338
Email: [email protected]
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The internet Whois database links outletengines.com to:

Culbreth, Edric [email protected]
outlettechnologies
2325 sanderford rd
raleigh, North Carolina 27610
United States

BBB complaint here:
http://www.bbb.org/raleigh-durham/business-reviews...#breakdown

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also doing business as:

http://outletengines.com/

I don't see a connection to Ken Morgan/Jake Lake nor is it necessarily a scam... but it is at this point an unknown quantity in the biggest $$$ decision a van owner makes.

Engine rebuild is not an area I would care to roll the dice on.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just looked at the website. This is definitely another Ken Morgan/Jake Lake alias business. The "hand planked" rods and "euro Syncro cam" are a dead giveaway. Steer clear! As strange as it may seem, the only rebuilt WBX engines that are a known quantity (known to be good) are Vanistan, Go Westy, and the guy that built Bob Donalds' engines. I would stick with those if you choose to stick with a WBX.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good catch on the "hand planked".

I've done that to salmon but wouldn't know where to begin on a con rod.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did a Whois on waterboxer.com once when I first found it and it was registered to ken Morgan. Now it appears to have been registered privately.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://web.archive.org/web/20110207104015/http://waterboxer.com/
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is another front to the same business:

http://www.jlpengines.com/contact-us
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting in that the [corrected] address is a storage facility. Not the first time he's 'run a business' from a storage facility.
http://www.usstoragesearch.com/cary-self-storage/north-carolina-self-storage/facility-34472/member/
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Waterboxer Inc Rebuilds Reply with quote

Bassyaks wrote:
Has anyone had any experiences with this company Waterboxer Inc. from N.C. the prices are reasonable and the core program looks better than the others
http://www.waterboxer.com/engines/vw-22l-vanagon-performance-engine

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Blue Bay Bus Why would anyone with any sense not be able to pay $600.00 more and get a ten cent engine or a Go Westy , and deal with a known quantity. You get what you pay for! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

westyventures wrote:
Interesting in that the [corrected] address is a storage facility. Not the first time he's 'run a business' from a storage facility.
http://www.usstoragesearch.com/cary-self-storage/north-carolina-self-storage/facility-34472/member/


Funny, storage units were always kens favorite places to set up shop.

Lol yep, 'run a business'

I helped him move into one here in Colorado once, oh those were the days.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Waterboxer Inc Rebuilds Reply with quote

joseph928 wrote:
Bassyaks wrote:
Has anyone had any experiences with this company Waterboxer Inc. from N.C. the prices are reasonable and the core program looks better than the others
http://www.waterboxer.com/engines/vw-22l-vanagon-performance-engine

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$600 more for a Vanistan rebuild.....umm, no brainer Idea

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

D Clymer wrote:
This is definitely another Ken Morgan/Jake Lake alias business. The "hand planked" rods and "euro Syncro cam" are a dead giveaway. Steer clear!


"Hand-planked": that's a moving-target-federal-wire-fraudster-known-as-Ken Morgan trademarked phrase, that's for sure. What does it mean, that he whacks 'em with a board or something? And there was no "Syncro" cam that I was ever aware of, euro or non. It's pure bullshit from morning to night, and night comes lonely at the storage locker.

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As strange as it may seem, the only rebuilt WBX engines that are a known quantity (known to be good) are Vanistan, Go Westy, and the guy that built Bob Donalds' engines. I would stick with those if you choose to stick with a WBX.


You forgot Rocky Jennings.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there will be a never ending line of suckers to buy something if you claim it's "just as good only 20% cheaper", that's how this guy stays in business.....

People can't help themselves when they perceive a "deal"....

Some do it even when they know better.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[email protected] wrote:
there will be a never ending line of suckers to buy something if you claim it's "just as good only 20% cheaper", that's how this guy stays in business.....

People can't help themselves when they perceive a "deal"....

Some do it even when they know better.


X2...and this goes for people not just buying from this guy, but those selling to him. Before I knew KM was Jake Lake I responded to a Craigslist ad for Vanagon stuff. I loaded up 4 waterboxers in my van to do some trading, sounded so good. When I arrived at a storage facility and a giant guy with a stitched-on name tag saying "Ken" on his shirt appeared, I told him I didn't appreciate his tactics and left. Can't believe he's still out there. Best way to stop the pusher is to cut off his supply.
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