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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:13 pm    Post subject: Radical Idea Hidden Hurst Style Reinforcement Reply with quote

Ok, I'm fully prepared for the onslaught of comments that will follow this thread, but I have been thinking about this for a while now.

I know that the Hursts style bumpers were/are designed to protect the front end from damage in the event of an accident, and I suppose they also protect the driver and passenger in the front from potential harm.

That said, has anyone ever thought about fabricating a similar style of reinforcement to go on the inside side of the front end that would be mounted or welded onto the frame that would be mounted behind the front kick panels?

My thought is that it would serve the purposes of prevention of damage to the passengers and not the exterior front clip. Added security measure similar to the Husts bumpers, but hidden so that it did not change the original look of the bus.

My thoughts are with this application you would still run a stock bumper on the outside of the bus. The reinforcement is hidden on the inside.

Ok, I'm ready for everyone's opinion.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are proposing this to aid in the safety of the occupants and not so much for the protection of the bus correct? I don't think it would add that much safety because of the still limited space between the front of the bus and the driver's legs. I don't think there are enough places for reinforcements for the bars also.

That's just my opinion but thanks for posting.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You are proposing this to aid in the safety of the occupants and not so much for the protection of the bus correct? I don't think it would add that much safety because of the still limited space between the front of the bus and the driver's legs. I don't think there are enough places for reinforcements for the bars also.

That's just my opinion but thanks for posting.


Yeah, I honestly don't know how much it would add to the safety and how much room is in there. But, I do know members will chime in with opinions and ideas, so I'm looking forward to the comments.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's not a lot of room in there. A cage would have to tie the top of the reinforcements toward the back of the Bus to make it strong, thus encroaching on the driver and passenger. Hurst's are triangulated from the factory bumper mounts to the Hurst, down and back to the beam.It provides some safety, but I wouldn't want to get caught in a head-on at any speeds above 35mph or so.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recall seeing someone who did just that here on TheSamba. They built in a reinforcing cage of sorts in the nose. I did a quick search but couldn't come up with anything though.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I recall seeing someone who did just that here on TheSamba. They built in a reinforcing cage of sorts in the nose. I did a quick search but couldn't come up with anything though.



It would be great to see the thread and check out their approach.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

have you ever been inside a bus? there is like no room for anything in there. other than maybe just a roll cage coming up by the front pillars and across under the parcel tray, i dont see how there would be room to build a "hurts" guard for the inside of the bus.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweet. ^^ Who's build is that?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Culito wrote:
Sweet. ^^ Who's build is that?




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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zozo wrote:
Culito wrote:
Sweet. ^^ Who's build is that?




Camerod

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I just checked for his post and the same pictures are posted in the "what you did to your bus form.". There was not much other explanation. I would be interested in seeing the finished reinforcement. It looks like it was built well and would serve to help with a crash. I like the idea of extra support while still maintaining a stock bumper and look. And, people were saying there was no room and that it could not be done. Anyone know Camerod, it would be great to hear from him? I may decide to do something similar to my bus.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Consider that door frames, to include dog legs and roof, would need strengthening too. I think fully seam welding would help.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Camerod's is the one I was thinking of!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, now, whos gonna crash test it. It does look like a better form of protection but, how much. Is that whole frame structure now going to come straight at the occupants? Ive often just thought about lifting my legs in the inevitable.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Driving a VW bus is dangerous. With braces or without, your legs will be origami either way.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ok, now, whos gonna crash test it. It does look like a better form of protection but, how much. Is that whole frame structure now going to come straight at the occupants? Ive often just thought about lifting my legs in the inevitable.


I dont think Cameron's reinforcements were for crash protection specifically. If I remember right, that is the nose of YUM-5. The reinforcement was to better support the nose/windshield frame/doors.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Driving a VW bus is dangerous. With braces or without, your legs will be origami either way.


+ 1 to that. You would need to rebuild the entire inner structure of a VW bus to make it "safe". When I had my crash, the entire bus was blown apart from a guy going "40 mph".
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well that makes sense. Ive seem the tillamook thread but dont remember seeing one with no roof.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice workmanship, but it still needs a way to either transfer the force to a larger/heavier frame member, or dissipate it (crumple).

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didnt someone make like a crashbar thing that bolted inside by the occupants feet... im thinking it was a big company... like a roll bar, for your feet (and knees i suppose). Ive seen it. but cant fid the pics...
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