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vwlovr73 Samba Member
Joined: April 20, 2000 Posts: 273 Location: ND
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:42 am Post subject: Accelerator pedal is wobbly/loose |
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Somebody want to tell me what's up with this? Something I can easily fix by tightening something, I hope. Or maybe I lost a nut/bolt somewhere along the line. I would think it'd be straightforward but I don't have a "tight" one to compare it to, so your insight is appreciated. (Click link for 30 second vid of what's going on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7cFb9YJaU0&feature=youtu.be
This is on a 63 bug. _________________ 1963 Beetle euro spec "Darrel" (since 2012)
Past - 1973 Beetle "Arthur" (owned 1998-2005)
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Insaniac Samba Member
Joined: February 13, 2009 Posts: 594 Location: Nor/So Cal
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:48 am Post subject: |
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Do you have the spring behind the pedal at the pin? It keeps it centered I believe. |
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andk5591 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 11:56 am Post subject: |
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There is a pin that goes through the bottom of the pedal. Either the pedal itself is worn or the pin is shot - or C all of the above. What sucks is that the pedal assy probably needs to come out to get the pin out and they are always corroded in there.
#1 get a quality accel pedal. There is a night and day difference between the cheapies and the good ones. I get mine from Wolfsburg West.
#2 also get the pedal kit. Will have the linkage piece, spring that was mentioned and a new pin.
#3 pull it apart and its also a good time to disassemble the pedal assy for cleaning, greasing and paint. Also inspect the clutch pedal hook to see if its wore badly - repair or replace if needed. Pay attention to the slot that the accel pedal rides in - gets crudded up and can limit pedal travel.
#4 use a zip ties or something to hold the clucth cable onto the hook when you put it back together to keep the cable from coming off.
#5 grow a third arm and hand - real handy when reinstalling the pedal assy.
#4 adjust and enjoy...... _________________ D-Dubya Manx clone - 63 Short pan,1914.
Rosie 65 bug - My mostly stock daily driver.
Woodie 69 VW woodie (Hot VWs 7/12).
"John's car" 64 VW woodie - The first ever
Maxine 61 Cal-look bug - Cindy's daily driver.
Max - 73 standard Beetle hearse project - For sale
66 bug project - Real patina & Suby conversion
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vwlovr73 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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andk5591 wrote: |
There is a pin that goes through the bottom of the pedal. Either the pedal itself is worn or the pin is shot - or C all of the above. What sucks is that the pedal assy probably needs to come out to get the pin out and they are always corroded in there.
#1 get a quality accel pedal. There is a night and day difference between the cheapies and the good ones. I get mine from Wolfsburg West.
#2 also get the pedal kit. Will have the linkage piece, spring that was mentioned and a new pin.
#3 pull it apart and its also a good time to disassemble the pedal assy for cleaning, greasing and paint. Also inspect the clutch pedal hook to see if its wore badly - repair or replace if needed. Pay attention to the slot that the accel pedal rides in - gets crudded up and can limit pedal travel.
#4 use a zip ties or something to hold the clucth cable onto the hook when you put it back together to keep the cable from coming off.
#5 grow a third arm and hand - real handy when reinstalling the pedal assy.
#4 adjust and enjoy...... |
Thanks for all this... now i have a follow up question! 1) do I have a cheapy pedal now? This is what came in the car when I bought it (obviously holds no bearing on whether it's cheap or good). Thanks again. _________________ 1963 Beetle euro spec "Darrel" (since 2012)
Past - 1973 Beetle "Arthur" (owned 1998-2005)
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24732 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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You are not going to know until you pull out the pedal and compare it to a good quality pedal.
Also the floor welded half of the pedal hinge might be worn out or just broken off.....
http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=111701535A _________________ In Stereo, Where Available!
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vwlovr73 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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Eric&Barb wrote: |
You are not going to know until you pull out the pedal and compare it to a good quality pedal.
Also the floor welded half of the pedal hinge might be worn out or just broken off..... |
Gotcha. Thanks! I'll report back when I investigate. I'm pretty sure this has loosened up since I got the car (didn't notice it until a few weeks ago, have had the car about 3.5 months), so a worn/broken hinge is really likely given that the car was in storage for over 30 years. well, we'll see! _________________ 1963 Beetle euro spec "Darrel" (since 2012)
Past - 1973 Beetle "Arthur" (owned 1998-2005)
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andk5591 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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couldnt tell from the video - I was assuming that your gas pedal pivot it part of the brake/cutch pedal assy. If its not, its much easier because (as mentioned above) there is a separate mount.
As far as if you have a good or crappy pedal, who knows. _________________ D-Dubya Manx clone - 63 Short pan,1914.
Rosie 65 bug - My mostly stock daily driver.
Woodie 69 VW woodie (Hot VWs 7/12).
"John's car" 64 VW woodie - The first ever
Maxine 61 Cal-look bug - Cindy's daily driver.
Max - 73 standard Beetle hearse project - For sale
66 bug project - Real patina & Suby conversion
There's more, but not keeping them... |
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drscope Samba Member
Joined: February 19, 2007 Posts: 15273 Location: Baltimore, Maryland USA
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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Crooked pedal syndrom is pretty ccommon as these cars get old. Its usually the hinge either on the pedal itself or on the floor.
Wolfsburg West has ALL the parts you need to correct this. _________________ Mother Nature is a Mean Evil Bitch! |
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glutamodo The Android
Joined: July 13, 2004 Posts: 26307 Location: Douglas, WY
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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Too bad that no one that I've ever seen sells a "Z-bar" that is anywhere close to the fit and finish of the original German made ones.
FYI - here's a thread with some gas pedal discussion and pictures:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=404206&
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SparksLP Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2009 Posts: 213 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:56 pm Post subject: Re: Accelerator pedal is wobbly/loose |
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Opening this thread up for a question. With those aftermarket hinge brackets like WW and CIP1 sell, do you have to weld the bracket to the floor, or can I bolt it down? My '66 has what looks like the later model pedal cluster, where the hinge bracket is not part of the whole assembly. Or should I just buy a whole new pedal set? Thanks! _________________ Tom
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glutamodo The Android
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:08 pm Post subject: Re: Accelerator pedal is wobbly/loose |
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On my 62, at one point the original floor bracket busted loose, the welds gave up. I just drilled them out and put in nuts and bolts and it's been fine ever since. _________________ Andy T.
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Stockholm VW Samba Member
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Insaniac wrote: |
Do you have the spring behind the pedal at the pin? It keeps it centered I believe. |
Ditto. I’ve been working on mine this week. Looks like you’re missing the short spring that holds the z-bar to the pedal. 🤷♂️ That would make it wobbly.
_________________ 1966 Volkswagen Sedan 1300 (now 1641), 6 volt, L456 Ruby Red, Platinum leatherette. |
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SparksLP Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: Accelerator pedal is wobbly/loose |
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glutamodo wrote: |
On my 62, at one point the original floor bracket busted loose, the welds gave up. I just drilled them out and put in nuts and bolts and it's been fine ever since. |
You remember what size bolt you used? I figured I'd find something with a lock nut, maybe use lock-tite too. _________________ Tom
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glutamodo The Android
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:54 am Post subject: Re: Accelerator pedal is wobbly/loose |
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I think it was M6 but it's friggin' cold out there right now to properly check. I did go and throw a camera under there but it's hard to tell, as I sprayed some undercoating on there afterwards (the pan was already undercoated when I bought it in 1989) But it looks like M6 and I think I used some large diameter washers.
_________________ Andy T.
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SparksLP Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:21 pm Post subject: Re: Accelerator pedal is wobbly/loose |
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Cool, thanks! I figured I'd want big washers, probably not too long of a bolt so it's not sticking out too much. _________________ Tom
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KTPhil Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:30 am Post subject: Re: Accelerator pedal is wobbly/loose |
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And I'd smear grease or other sealant to protect those threads, since the underside is a very nasty place for bare metal, and if it rusts, you have a very unpleasant job when you go to remove it.
I wouldn't recommend silicone seal if it has the usual acidic acid cure... might rust under it.
Anyone recommend an easy-to-remove goop that can protect in instances like this? Not an adhesive or thread locker (far from it!) but just a protectant. |
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