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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:25 am    Post subject: Engine tin layout? Reply with quote

I've just discovered that it appears I am missing the front engine tin on my 66 type 1. Is there a diagram or picture somewhere of a complete engine tin layout with all of the components? If I'm missing one part I want to make sure I'm not missing others. Were the tins significantly different from year to year? I've searched here but have had no luck finding this info.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, try the type 2 parts reference manual @

http://oacdp.org/

Bus engine parts for the majority are same as used on the type 1s.

Yes, there are differences over the years.

For earlier or later engine tin you can type in the search of the gallery for "Engine Tin Diagram".

Here is the later for DH Thing engine that did not have heater boxes, instead ran J-tubes. So parts 8 are for J-tubed engines.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look on youtube for "Awesome Powdercoating"

He walks through each piece of tin on an AC engine and explains how to fit it in the proper order.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Eric, Barb & Hugo. Looks like I am indeed missing the front tin and the two parts of the oil cooler tin, looks like everything else is there. On my way to the classifieds!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since you're missing those parts make sure you don't forget the Hoover bit!

Like stated before check online for Awesome Powdercoat. Has everything you need if you don't find it in the classifieds here...
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and good for you understanding the importance of having ALL the tins in place. I love the people who are missing half the tins, and then post here asking why their motor is running hot!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not only is the tin different from year to year in some cases, but say in 1966 for example you have two different engines for a type one ( 1200 & 1300) and they require different tin as well.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

graysky wrote:
Thanks Eric, Barb & Hugo. Looks like I am indeed missing the front tin and the two parts of the oil cooler tin, looks like everything else is there. On my way to the classifieds!


Are you running a dog house shroud?? If so you need the seals for those tin pieces, foam rubber tape from the hardware store for the exhaust shell, and that there is foam rubber over the cooler to seal it to the inside of the shroud. Also that the cooling fan is a 33, 34, or 35 mm cooling fan (inside measurement?), and not the earlier 29 mm or thinner fans.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Are you running a dog house shroud?? If so you need the seals for those tin pieces, foam rubber tape from the hardware store for the exhaust shell, and that there is foam rubber over the cooler to seal it to the inside of the shroud. Also that the cooling fan is a 33, 34, or 35 mm cooling fan (inside measurement?), and not the earlier 29 mm or thinner fans.

Okay, on closer examination it looks like I have some sort of tin over the passenger side of the oil cooler, but the driver's side the cooler is visible. Is that the way it is supposed to be set up? I can't tell from the diagram. It's kind of hard to see everything but it looks as though I can see the arm part of the hoover clip. Can't tell about the seals, fan or the foam, I suppose I will be able to see all that when I install the front tin once I get one.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure you will have to remove the engine to get that front tin installed...from reading your post it sounds like it still in the car.

And yes the piece covering it on the passenger side should be the fan shroud.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buy this now:

http://www.amazon.com/Volkswagen-Official-Service-...rt+bentley

You will need the above for all the later engine info.

Drop the engine this weekend and get some images posted.

You should only see the cooler if you like fried ACVW engine.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for those pictures, that really helps clarify it for me. It looks like all I need is the front tin and the oil cooler tins and seals. Already found the cooler tins and seals (and hoover clip in case I do need that one) here in the classifieds. Once I find an appropriate front tin I will be able to take out the engine and get a better look. Thanks to all for their advice and help. As I stated before the car doesn't run hot but I'll feel a lot better knowing everything is there where it belongs. I'll try to post some photos of the before and after.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless you are running gauges, you will not know if it is running hot!!

After all it is air cooled. No water to steam forth!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used some foil backed tar "tape" instead of the foam, as I'm not concerned as much with originality. There are NO leaks from my dog house....and it was super easy.
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