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MsTaboo Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2006 Posts: 4083 Location: East Kootenay, British Columbia
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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I have never used the ospho but have read on here that its good. Por15 is really good as well as Eastwood products. Now keep in mind and I tell all my customers it comes down to care of your bus. No amount of paint will make up for you neglecting the care of your bus. Its sounds corny but putting the time and money into a bus means its part of the family and that's how we need to treat it. Basically another needy kid! In short keep it clean and dry for many happy years of rust free enjoyment. |
Please don't take this as criticism. Your skills as a welder and metal fabricator are tops. But as we all know, rust never sleeps.
You may want to take some time and research rust converters.
And yes, keeping the bus clean and dry helps,(especially around salt) but if rust already exists it needs to be dealt with.
p.s. POR-15 is not all that great. Their product is a very dense paint and keeps out moisture, the main reason it works is when you follow their directions and use a rust converter. _________________ Currently:
'90 Syncro Westy 3 knob w/Zetec
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wrstp Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2007 Posts: 206
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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MsTaboo wrote: |
wrstp wrote: |
I have never used the ospho but have read on here that its good. Por15 is really good as well as Eastwood products. Now keep in mind and I tell all my customers it comes down to care of your bus. No amount of paint will make up for you neglecting the care of your bus. Its sounds corny but putting the time and money into a bus means its part of the family and that's how we need to treat it. Basically another needy kid! In short keep it clean and dry for many happy years of rust free enjoyment. |
Please don't take this as criticism. Your skills as a welder and metal fabricator are tops. But as we all know, rust never sleeps.
You may want to take some time and research rust converters.
And yes, keeping the bus clean and dry helps,(especially around salt) but if rust already exists it needs to be dealt with.
p.s. POR-15 is not all that great. Their product is a very dense paint and keeps out moisture, the main reason it works is when you follow their directions and use a rust converter. |
Nothing wrong with a little criticism how else can a person get better with out it. If we all knew it all we wouldn't need the samba. So thanks for the info and I will do a little more research on ospho as alot of people like it. If you haven't already posted your project do so as reading about owners love of v-dubs never gets old. |
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bgoble Samba Member
Joined: February 26, 2011 Posts: 34 Location: North AL
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BusterBrown Samba Member
Joined: December 15, 2009 Posts: 1397 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks bgoble! I would have missed it! _________________ 1978 Sage Green Westfalia (Happy Trails, SOLD)
1977 Transporter
Life is short. Can I have some of yours? |
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fungi Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2002 Posts: 105
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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wrstp wrote: |
After finishing the engine bay side panel I started to look at the battery tray. Of coarse the inner wheel well area is rusted so time to start cutting.
I will do the same for the other half after lunch and hopefully get some pics by the end of the day. |
I have to make this exact same repair. i have a little experience with body work. hoping you can point me in the correct direction. I notice you cut the battery tray out here as well as the target section. I'm wondering if you think it's necessary or better to do it that way? My battery tray is pitted but still pretty solid. But I guess I would replace it, if that's the best way to make the repair.
Thanks for the great work. Really appreciate what your doing here. I've learned quite a lot from your posts. _________________ http://rivieraresto.blogspot.com/ |
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Bleyseng Samba Member
Joined: July 03, 2005 Posts: 4752 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:48 am Post subject: |
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If it's just pitted (rusty) then wire brush it and then use a rust converter like Ospho. Then prime it good. _________________ 70 Ghia Black convert-9/69 build date-stock w/133k 1600 SP-barn find now with a rebuilt tranny and engine
77 Westy 2.0L w/Ljet, Camper Special engine-95hp and with LSD!(sold)
76 Porsche 914 2.1L L20c, 120hp Djet (sold)
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wrstp Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2007 Posts: 206
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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:04 am Post subject: |
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Bleyseng wrote: |
If it's just pitted (rusty) then wire brush it and then use a rust converter like Ospho. Then prime it good. |
In the case of lightly pitted surface rust that's what I have had success with. |
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fungi Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2002 Posts: 105
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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:21 am Post subject: I need to make the same repair |
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Sorry, my question may have not been clear. I need to repair the wall as shown in the photos. wrstp has removed the battery tray as well. I am wondering if it's necessary or preferable to remove the battery tray for this repair? _________________ http://rivieraresto.blogspot.com/ |
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wrstp Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2007 Posts: 206
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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:25 am Post subject: Re: I need to make the same repair |
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fungi wrote: |
Sorry, my question may have not been clear. I need to repair the wall as shown in the photos. wrstp has removed the battery tray as well. I am wondering if it's necessary or preferable to remove the battery tray for this repair? |
The wall does go behind the tray and usually the tray is rusted as well. So to remove all the wall the tray needs to come out. Sorry for the delay hope this helps. |
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ateneo Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2008 Posts: 403 Location: Orange County, California
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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Hello wrstp,
I noticed that you have a Lincoln MIG welder. I am restoring my rusty 71 Westy & I am using a Lincoln 140. I admire your superb skill in butt welding panels. I was wondering if you could share with me what settings you had your Lincoln MIG on (Heat & wire speed) when you were welding 18 & 20 gauge steel.
I also am trying to figure out how you kept the metal sheets leveled together after welding them? After you butt weld the sheets, the area where you weld looked so smooth as if they were never butt welded together before. How did you do that?
Recently, I did my very first metal patch on my Westy. I tack welded the small patch with a setting of "D" for heat & 4.5 for wire speed. Someone told me that I should tack weld on that setting just to put a "foundation tack". Then after that I need to lower the heat & wire speed setting just to fill the space between the "foundation tacks". Is this right?
I am considering buying a 30-gallon Kobalt compressor so that I could use a Die Grinder. I cannot afford to own an 60 or 80 gallon compressor because it will require me to update my main switch and run a wire from the main switch to my garage. I got a quote from an electrician and it was not an amount I would like to spend.
Here is the project that I am working on right now:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5...highlight= |
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Keith Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2005 Posts: 3634 Location: Brodheadsville, PA
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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ateneo wrote: |
Hello wrstp,
I noticed that you have a Lincoln MIG welder. I am restoring my rusty 71 Westy & I am using a Lincoln 140. I admire your superb skill in butt welding panels. I was wondering if you could share with me what settings you had your Lincoln MIG on (Heat & wire speed) when you were welding 18 & 20 gauge steel.
I also am trying to figure out how you kept the metal sheets leveled together after welding them? After you butt weld the sheets, the area where you weld looked so smooth as if they were never butt welded together before. How did you do that?
Recently, I did my very first metal patch on my Westy. I tack welded the small patch with a setting of "D" for heat & 4.5 for wire speed. Someone told me that I should tack weld on that setting just to put a "foundation tack". Then after that I need to lower the heat & wire speed setting just to fill the space between the "foundation tacks". Is this right?
I am considering buying a 30-gallon Kobalt compressor so that I could use a Die Grinder. I cannot afford to own an 60 or 80 gallon compressor because it will require me to update my main switch and run a wire from the main switch to my garage. I got a quote from an electrician and it was not an amount I would like to spend.
Here is the project that I am working on right now:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5...highlight= |
Your settings will be different for a number of reasons. Are you using welding gas or not ? If so is it straight co2 or co2/argon mix ? What size wire ? Welding flat, vertical, overhead, windy conditions, etc? It will also depend on the person welding as well.
I have a Lincoln 140 and I use co2/argon 75/25 mix with .028 wire. Generally for sheet metal I use a setting of B-4. _________________ Formerly known in the forums as "OVALTEEN"
"I firmly believe that some villagers from Botswana could probably build a better road than PennDot."- Splitty
"If you do anything to your car someone will hate on you for it. People absolutely love to complain and find fault with others. Don't let it bother you. Just live and have fun."- Lind |
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ateneo Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2008 Posts: 403 Location: Orange County, California
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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Keith wrote: |
ateneo wrote: |
Hello wrstp,
I noticed that you have a Lincoln MIG welder. I am restoring my rusty 71 Westy & I am using a Lincoln 140. I admire your superb skill in butt welding panels. I was wondering if you could share with me what settings you had your Lincoln MIG on (Heat & wire speed) when you were welding 18 & 20 gauge steel.
I also am trying to figure out how you kept the metal sheets leveled together after welding them? After you butt weld the sheets, the area where you weld looked so smooth as if they were never butt welded together before. How did you do that?
Recently, I did my very first metal patch on my Westy. I tack welded the small patch with a setting of "D" for heat & 4.5 for wire speed. Someone told me that I should tack weld on that setting just to put a "foundation tack". Then after that I need to lower the heat & wire speed setting just to fill the space between the "foundation tacks". Is this right?
I am considering buying a 30-gallon Kobalt compressor so that I could use a Die Grinder. I cannot afford to own an 60 or 80 gallon compressor because it will require me to update my main switch and run a wire from the main switch to my garage. I got a quote from an electrician and it was not an amount I would like to spend.
Here is the project that I am working on right now:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5...highlight= |
Your settings will be different for a number of reasons. Are you using welding gas or not ? If so is it straight co2 or co2/argon mix ? What size wire ? Welding flat, vertical, overhead, windy conditions, etc? It will also depend on the person welding as well.
I have a Lincoln 140 and I use co2/argon 75/25 mix with .028 wire. Generally for sheet metal I use a setting of B-4. |
Hi Keith,
I have the same thing that you are using, 75/25 gas mix with .028 wire.
The reason why I set it up high (D-4.5) is because I was hoping to get better penetration results. Well, I think I need to tone down the heat level because I struggled with the metal warping a little. |
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rustbus Samba Member
Joined: June 18, 2009 Posts: 2078 Location: alberta
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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ateneo wrote: |
Hello wrstp,
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I am considering buying a 30-gallon Kobalt compressor so that I could use a Die Grinder. I cannot afford to own an 60 or 80 gallon compressor because it will require me to update my main switch and run a wire from the main switch to my garage. I got a quote from an electrician and it was not an amount I would like to spend.
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Have you considered an electric die grinder? Still get over 15000rpm I think...? _________________ May of '72 Deluxe. 2.0L L-Jet CS & 091 trans conversion
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ateneo Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2008 Posts: 403 Location: Orange County, California
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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rustbus wrote: |
ateneo wrote: |
Hello wrstp,
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I am considering buying a 30-gallon Kobalt compressor so that I could use a Die Grinder. I cannot afford to own an 60 or 80 gallon compressor because it will require me to update my main switch and run a wire from the main switch to my garage. I got a quote from an electrician and it was not an amount I would like to spend.
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Have you considered an electric die grinder? Still get over 15000rpm I think...? |
I was checking the net and spotted this:
http://www.ingersollrand.pl/download/Vehicle%20Ser...inders.pdf
That Ingersoll Rand cordless die grinder might be a good option but the size is what worries me. That will be a problem on tight spots. I saw an ad saying that Walmart sells them. I will check them out tomorrow. Thanks for the info |
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fungi Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2002 Posts: 105
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 9:47 am Post subject: |
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I have a 30 gallon compressor. Wish I would have bought a 80 gallon. Most of my grinding/cutting I do with electric because the compressor can't keep up. _________________ http://rivieraresto.blogspot.com/ |
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RONIN10 Samba Member
Joined: April 30, 2007 Posts: 594 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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I have an 80 gallon compressor which was borderline for me to afford at the time but I'm very glad I got it. One of the things I considered at the time of my purchase which you might consider for the future is to get an auxiliary tank at a later date and plumb it into your system. That willl give you the extra capacity your 're loooking for if you can't afford it now. A lot of times you can get a good deal off of Craigslist for a tank with a shot compressor motor attached to it. Estate sales are good candidates as well. _________________ Andrew
Oscar: 1976 Westfalia Deluxe Camper, 2.0L FI, Manual Transaxle |
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ateneo Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2008 Posts: 403 Location: Orange County, California
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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fungi wrote: |
I have a 30 gallon compressor. Wish I would have bought a 80 gallon. Most of my grinding/cutting I do with electric because the compressor can't keep up. |
Hi Fungi
When you were using the 30 gallon compressor, how long are you able to use the die grinder before you had to wait for the compressor to catch up?
I have never seen a 30 gallon compressor in action on a die grinder that is why I don't have a clue on its operations. |
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fungi Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 10:07 am Post subject: |
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When you were using the 30 gallon compressor, how long are you able to use the die grinder before you had to wait for the compressor to catch up?
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Hi ateneo, I would say less than 5 minutes. Also it gradually loses rpm's so it becomes less useful during the 5 minutes of useful operation. I find this true for the cutting wheel as well.
On the other hand it works great for tools that don't require the high volume of air e.g. the nibbler, recip saw, sanding, stapler, nailer, air hammer, air drills.
It's still useful _________________ http://rivieraresto.blogspot.com/ |
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fungi Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2002 Posts: 105
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 11:58 am Post subject: |
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Here is my first attempt at the repair done earlier by wrstp. This is not an easy repair. My skills are no where near wrstp
I removed the battery tray and then cut the section out from behind the battery tray. Not sure I took the best approach cutting out the tray. Tired to cut that section out as strait as possible to keep as template but most of it just fell apart
Here is my first attempt at shaping the section. Ugh that was tough. That was a practice. Trying it again.
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my 74 tangerine westy Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2012 Posts: 161 Location: walla walla Washington
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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top notch job its making my mind go boom _________________ VW made cars like Walter White makes meth
1974 Westy |
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