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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76935 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:28 pm Post subject: Engine gasket layout |
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_________________ Glenn
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55ovals Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you Glenn... _________________ 1955 oval bug
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craigman Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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Glenn,
now you need a list showing what each gasket is used for! |
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55ovals Samba Member
Joined: January 13, 2008 Posts: 50 Location: tucson
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:55 pm Post subject: hope this ok |
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gasket set that includes the flywheel seal, but the commonly-available 111 198 007AF set does not. It does include a couple of gaskets (#18 & 21 above) which are used on Type III engines. If you have a "universal" replacement case you may need #18 for the blockoff plate at the rear of the sump. The two thick cooler seals at #4 are only for use on pre`70 Type III oil coolers.
#1 Four rocker stud seals (do not use on heads which only have a chamfer around the base of the stud)
#2 Six case stud O-rings (do not use on cases which are not machined to accept them, mostly `66/`67)
#3 Four rocker stud seals for early 1200-style heads
#4 (Upper pair) Two 021 117 151A cooler seals, for use on large-passage cases with "doghouse" DP cooler or `70-style 111 117 021E large-passage SP cooler. Two more needed if you wish to renew the ones between the DP adapter and the cooler. Also used on `70-`73 Type III cases/coolers.
#5 Sixteen pushrod tube seals
#6 Distributor O-ring
#7 Six 10mm copper-plated washers for oil strainer plate
#8 Flywheel-to-crank gasket (steel, approx .012" thick) for pre-mid`66 non-O-ring flywheel/crank
#9 Two intake manifold preheat gaskets. Some sets will also include one with a restrictor hole.
#10 Four exhaust flange gaskets
#11 Flywheel O-ring
#12 (Left) Oil strainer plate drainplug gasket
#12 (Right) Oil pressure plunger plug gasket - two needed for dual-relief cases.
#13 Two singleport intake manifold gaskets, fit 1300 and 15/1600 SP heads. Also can be used between oil filler and pedestal (gasket set does not include a replacement paper gasket for this location)
#14 Baffle plate, goes between pedestal and case with louvers down. May be used alone or sandwiched between #26. Not used on early cases with a small round hole in the case flange
#15 Two dualport intake manifold gaskets
#16 Paper gaskets to be used under washers at 8mm case nuts straddling #4 main and #1 cam bearing, and/or oil pump.
#17 Carb flange gasket. Singleport & dualport are different sizes, set may have one, both, or none
#18 Gasket for Type III oil filler pipe flange (or blockoff plate) to case
#19, 20 Fuel pump gaskets
#21 Gasket used between aluminum fan/pulley and steel fan on Type III
#22 Paper version of #8 (approx .008" thick)
#24 Oil pump cover gaskets (6mm and 8mm) thin
#25 Oil pump-to-case gaskets (6mm and 8mm) thick- do not use at cover
#26 Two pedestal gaskets
#27 Four paper gaskets (approx .008" thick) for use between cylinder bases and case on 13/15/1600 (and late Euro 1200)
- few builders choose to use these, most apply a thin coat of RTV to the cylinder base instead.
#28 Two valve cover gaskets. Fit 1200 40HP through 1600 based engines except for early 40HP "bastard engine". Some sets have VC gaskets that are wider at the top which will work on those heads, but they will not work on `71-up valvecovers (they have a "bump" at the top to keep the gasket from sucking down) without trimming.
#29 Two oil sump gaskets
#23 ? Look to be same size as exhaust flange gaskets but appear to be paper, not sure what they're supposed to be for
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miniman82 Samba Swamp Donkey
Joined: March 22, 2005 Posts: 9515 Location: Southern Maryland
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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#27 should not be used, all they do is leak. _________________ Build thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=212747
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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why is there 2 different#12 and only 1#12 in the kit when 2 are used for duel relief. and who uses all these gaskets?I use about 1/4 of them. and who makes the best kit to get? |
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twigman Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2011 Posts: 47
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Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 8:10 am Post subject: |
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If you don't use the #27 gaskets, What do you use? Gasket sealant like permatex? |
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Redlocker Samba Member
Joined: January 25, 2010 Posts: 107 Location: I'm in southwestern PA, USA
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Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:52 am Post subject: Bastard valve cover gaskets, any pictures? |
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So if I'm understanding correctly, pictured item #28 earlier in this topic (the V/C gaskets) sometimes are wider at the top for the "bastard engine heads".
Does anyone have a picture of this "bastard type" V/C gasket?
Also, does anyone know if they are even still available? And, if they are still available, where to buy them?
Thanks for the help. _________________ Search my other want ads. A wise man once said, "Do unto others, as you would have done unto you". We should all try that.
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spectre6000 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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Howzabout we move the key to the same post as the labeled picture and get a similar pairing for TIV engines? If someone needs help with the labeling on the photo, I have the digital editing software and skills required (not that much is needed, but I'm offering just in case someone feels they don't). _________________ Jason Hopper
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Fab4Fan Samba Member
Joined: June 17, 2005 Posts: 703 Location: Claremont, So-Cal
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Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:05 am Post subject: |
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Just saw this post as I was trying to figure out what each thing was too.
made this from 55ovals info.
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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so why louvers down on 14? |
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SBD Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2012 Posts: 3269 Location: SOUTH DAKOTA
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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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mark tucker wrote: |
so why louvers down on 14? |
Looks like if you install it as it is in the picture then any oil that was flung at it from below would go right through the louvers and up into the pedestal. Install it louvers down and the oil would tend to hit them and drop back down into the case. JMO _________________ "Just $99 down and $64 a month for 36 months buys you a brand new Volkswagen Beetle!"
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mark tucker Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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just wanted to see if somebody knew the right answer. although I have instaleed them 2 at a time one up&one down to raise the stand a bit for these aluminum pullys that seem to be almost out of adjustment with a new belt. thinking about making a thicker spacer so the shrouds can go right on the bubble top cases with out triming.
also some cases you can put the baffell on 2 or 3 diferent orientations. the flat side of the cutouts should be toward the 1/2 side. |
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SBD Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:31 am Post subject: |
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Mark, I figured you had to know the answer. _________________ "Just $99 down and $64 a month for 36 months buys you a brand new Volkswagen Beetle!"
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I wouldent waste $ or thyme on building a small motor. build it big so it dosent have to work hard.remember it's only as fast as your foot alows it to be unless you build a small turd then it just stinks as it squishes up through your toes when you step on it. |
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airschooled Air-Schooled
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2015 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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In some gasket sets, number 8 is actually a .005" end play increasing shim, only to be used if the engine is so fresh that the minimum amount of end play is unattainable. It is the same outer shape as #22. _________________ Learn how your vintage VW works. And why it doesn't!
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box12360 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:59 am Post subject: Re: Engine gasket layout |
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Is the Gasket Kit Pictured Similar for a type 4 motor? _________________ '74 Westy Pop Top "old yeller"
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marc330 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:51 pm Post subject: Re: Engine gasket layout |
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I need to make a note for anyone whos rebuilding a fuel injected engine not to use #15 intake manifold gasket.. you need a riser gasket ( about 3/8" thick) for the manifold boots to seat correctly ! took me three weeks to figure out why I had such a big vacuum leak. |
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tcochr Samba Member
Joined: June 23, 2014 Posts: 62 Location: Augusta, GA
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Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: Engine gasket layout |
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Only 2 years since I started my "refresh/rebuild" and this thread has answered all my questions about the gasket kit. Thank you gents... thank you. _________________ 1973 stock super. 2nd owner. Hawaii garage kept. NO RUST ANYWHERE. Now in Georgia. |
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crankbait09 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:03 pm Post subject: Re: Engine gasket layout |
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I purchased a gasket kit for 1300-1600cc engines.
According to the diagram on WW's website, their should be a gasket that goes between the oil filler and the generator/alternator stand. It would slide over the oil filler nut but sandwich in between the oil filler housing, and the stand. Which gasket is this in the kit? _________________ 1963 Ragtop |
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