Hello! Log in or Register   |  Help  |  Donate  |  Buy Shirts  See all banner ads | Advertise on TheSamba.com  
TheSamba.com
 
$1.49 fuel line firewall solution
Page: 1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Forum Index -> Vanagon Share: Facebook Twitter
This topic is locked: you cannot edit posts or make replies.
Print View
Quick sort: Show newest posts on top | Show oldest posts on top View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
mjanderle
Samba Member


Joined: March 20, 2015
Posts: 138
Location: Madison, WI
mjanderle is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 4:36 pm    Post subject: $1.49 fuel line firewall solution Reply with quote

So as a good new vanagon owner I'm doing due diligence and replacing all the fuel lines.

One thing I researched are the available firewall adapters including units from Van Cafe, Foreign Auto Supply, and Go Westy.

Van Cafe : $39.00
http://www.van-cafe.com/home/van/page_1130_965/fuel-line-firewall-adapter.html

FAS : $59.00
http://www.foreignautosupply.com/parts-accessories/53-fastt-replacement-fuel-spigot/#.VardnZOvFTM

Go Westy : Double flanged grommet
Couldn't find the listing...thought it was $20 or something?

My solution : Hardware store double flanged grommet for $1.49

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


For other dudes that want to go this route, look for a grommet with a 7/8 rim diameter. Fits perfectly. Saves nickels.
_________________
2007 Nissan Xterra S "You wanna go where?"
1987 VW Westy Wknder "You wanna take how much stuff camping?"
1976 BMW R90/6 "You wanna spend how much on parts?"
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Terry Kay
Banned


Joined: June 22, 2003
Posts: 13331

Terry Kay is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great idea.

Wait till that rubber grommet wears though and that sharp sheet metal slices through that fuel line .

You'll see real quick how much you really saved.
_________________
T.K.


Last edited by Terry Kay on Sat Jul 18, 2015 4:50 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
djkeev Premium Member
Samba Moderator


Joined: September 30, 2007
Posts: 25077
Location: North West New Jersey
djkeev is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, that works..... For awhile.

The grommet will wear into the sharp metal edge and then The fuel line gets cut.

Keep an eye on it. I am guessing a year or so....

Dave
_________________
Stop Dead Photo Links how to post photos

Ghia
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=392473

Vanagon
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6315537#6315537

Beetle
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=482968&highlight=74+super+vert
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
pbrown
Samba Member


Joined: July 15, 2008
Posts: 333
Location: Seattle, WA
pbrown is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A brass bulkhead fitting would be more reliable. This one is about $10.00.
https://www.fastfittings.com/product/318

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

_________________
Patrick Brown

1986 Vanagon Syncro Poptop (EJ25, Frt/Rear Lockers)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
mjanderle
Samba Member


Joined: March 20, 2015
Posts: 138
Location: Madison, WI
mjanderle is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pbrown wrote:
A brass bulkhead fitting would be more reliable. This one is about $10.00.
https://www.fastfittings.com/product/318

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


That's a good price too.

I guess my thinking was in-line with Go Westy's with the idea of eliminating the two extra connection points. Not sure if their grommet is a harder compound from what I found, but I will watch it and monitor if anything degrades.

Hell, you can save the $1.49 and just avoid the hole all together!
_________________
2007 Nissan Xterra S "You wanna go where?"
1987 VW Westy Wknder "You wanna take how much stuff camping?"
1976 BMW R90/6 "You wanna spend how much on parts?"
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
kalispell365
Samba Member


Joined: April 01, 2010
Posts: 888
Location: PNW
kalispell365 is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your grommet will work just fine...
Just make sure there is ne pressure from the fuel line against any part of it. I have been doing this for many years and this is a common fix. People just have to po-po this when they are trying to sell you something.
_________________
1983 Diesel Vanagon Westfalia chassis with Subaru 2.2l
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
danfromsyr
Samba Member


Joined: March 01, 2004
Posts: 12984
Location: Syracuse, NY
danfromsyr is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tend the pass the single line under the firewall and hand it with a ziptie (loosely) from the old hole.
shrugs, essentially free and
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Gallery Classifieds Feedback
djkeev Premium Member
Samba Moderator


Joined: September 30, 2007
Posts: 25077
Location: North West New Jersey
djkeev is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kalispell365 wrote:
Your grommet will work just fine...
Just make sure there is ne pressure from the fuel line against any part of it. I have been doing this for many years and this is a common fix. People just have to po-po this when they are trying to sell you something.


I've nothing to sell.

I've simply seen so many failed grommets over the years.
If there is any weight bearing upon the grommet pushing it into the sheet metal it most often wears away in short order.
Especially today with the inferior rubbers being thrust upon us.

I'd hate to give the OP a false sense of long term security for it just isn't there.

A better grommet is made by slicing some fuel line and slipping that over the sharp metal. It will last much longer than the grommet, not permanent, but better.

Sand / file off the razor sharp sheet metal, it will last longer too.

Dave
_________________
Stop Dead Photo Links how to post photos

Ghia
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=392473

Vanagon
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6315537#6315537

Beetle
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=482968&highlight=74+super+vert
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
mjanderle
Samba Member


Joined: March 20, 2015
Posts: 138
Location: Madison, WI
mjanderle is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

danfromsyr wrote:
I tend the pass the single line under the firewall and hand it with a ziptie (loosely) from the old hole.
shrugs, essentially free and


Yeah, I was going to go this route, but I was keen on the grommet-option. For those interested, this is the size for a perfect fit :

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

_________________
2007 Nissan Xterra S "You wanna go where?"
1987 VW Westy Wknder "You wanna take how much stuff camping?"
1976 BMW R90/6 "You wanna spend how much on parts?"
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Ahwahnee
Samba Member


Joined: June 05, 2010
Posts: 8874
Location: Mt Lemmon, AZ
Ahwahnee is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The grommet looks fine to me. I have firewall grommets on other cars that are more than 50 years old that have not worn though.

The advantage of the grommet over a fitting (other than price) is that it eliminates two connections.

Me -- I just feed the line under the 'firewall' and slip a length of heater hose over the line to give it some additional protection.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Terry Kay
Banned


Joined: June 22, 2003
Posts: 13331

Terry Kay is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's an FYI ;
Talked to a friend of mine in NY state who is a retired engineer who worked at Grumman Aircraft for 35 years.
Worked in the engine / jet design dept.

I brought this very subject up a couple of months ago just like this and out of the clear blue;

"Charlie, why do aircraft use bulkhead fuel fittings on the firewall of All aircraft"?

"Why, to prevent fuel line failure & fire"

Now, this is exactly why the steel firewall fitting were first manufactured to replace the tired
often fracturing stock VW issue fittings.

Ever seen a Lycoming, or Continental opposing engine run?
If not , they rock on their mounts just as your VW engine does, only a little worse because of the prop.
Radial engines are worse just because of their size , the mounts,
The propellers.

So anyway, I mentioned your grommet solution to Charles, and he wanted to know what was wrong here.

I told him frugality en-mass.

I did agree with him once the grommet goes bye-bye gets to the fuel line the expenses will be insurmountably more than the proper fitting.

Trying to rationalize here is impossible I know, but just for the heck of it "Now You Know The Rest Of The Story".

But I knew all of this years ago when this subject has comes up regarding the grommet fuel line bandaide.
_________________
T.K.


Last edited by Terry Kay on Sat Jul 18, 2015 8:15 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
ThankYouJerry
Samba Member


Joined: September 01, 2012
Posts: 2271
Location: Shakedown Street
ThankYouJerry is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is saving the equivalent of your next 9 Starbucks coffees worth the fate and value of your van? Rolling Eyes

Sure, the grommet will work just fine for a while... until it doesn't. Shocked

Will you be ready?

http://www.van-cafe.com/home/van/page_1130_286/fuel-line-firewall-adapter.html
http://blazecut.com/small-enclosures/engine-compartments/
http://www.gowesty.com/ec_view_details.php?id=23871&category_id=23872&category_parent_id=

Or this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kIwGx3kFpE
http://www.wikihow.com/Roast-Marshmallows

Your choice.
_________________
1990 Multivan - "Ohana"
1.8T, Auto w/3.27 R&P + Peloquin TBD
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
danfromsyr
Samba Member


Joined: March 01, 2004
Posts: 12984
Location: Syracuse, NY
danfromsyr is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had poor long term luck with many "new" rubber seals and grommets from drawers/kits
they will not last as long as the OEM factory rubber elastomers
you find a OEM one and I may take you up on it.. but from a bulk bin drawer or compartmentalized kit.. not for my fuel lines..
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Gallery Classifieds Feedback
kamzcab86
Samba Moderator


Joined: July 26, 2008
Posts: 6887
Location: Arizona
kamzcab86 is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

danfromsyr wrote:

you find a OEM one and I may take you up on it..


Return line goes through this:

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

#113957855
_________________
~Kamz Anxious
1986 Cabriolet: www.Cabby-Info.com
Blue Vanagon 1990 Vanagon Westfalia: Old Blue's Blog
2016 Golf GTI S
"I fear the day that technology will surpass our human interaction; the world will have a generation of idiots." ~Albert Einstein
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Gallery Classifieds Feedback
danfromsyr
Samba Member


Joined: March 01, 2004
Posts: 12984
Location: Syracuse, NY
danfromsyr is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

see that one look better to me..
talc applied to supple rubber
not a shiny surfaced 'plasticized' rubber for bulk bin/kit visual appeal.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Gallery Classifieds Feedback
jimf909 Premium Member
Samba Member


Joined: April 03, 2014
Posts: 4668
Location: Seattle
jimf909 is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kamzcab86 wrote:
danfromsyr wrote:

you find a OEM one and I may take you up on it..


Return line goes through this:

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

#113957855



So why is it okay for the return line to go through a grommet?
_________________
Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.

Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro).
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
djkeev Premium Member
Samba Moderator


Joined: September 30, 2007
Posts: 25077
Location: North West New Jersey
djkeev is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kam...... Interesting point!
My guess is that the fuel is not under pressure, simply returning free flow to the fuel tank.
If a leak occurred, it would not be a geyser ........ but rather a drip.

Anyway.......
Here is my 1986 return line.

I still have this bushing in a baggie in my Vanagon shed...... I will locate it and examine it for damage......

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Here is the hole for the fuel feed fitting....
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


And the hole for the fuel return line, the return line is plastic line......
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Dave
_________________
Stop Dead Photo Links how to post photos

Ghia
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=392473

Vanagon
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6315537#6315537

Beetle
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=482968&highlight=74+super+vert
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Terry Kay
Banned


Joined: June 22, 2003
Posts: 13331

Terry Kay is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Consider this;

Why would the Van-Cafe include the steel bulkhead fitting with their replacement fuel line kit?

I think the answer is pretty simple.

Peter knew about the hinkey rubber grommet's at the firewall that folks were using, also knew the nylon fittings were getting old and fracturing, and decided to make the engine a safe haven for fuel to be introduced.

Why change the fuel lines?
I see this blurb here often.
Must be a fire issue on the high pressure feed line.
Then why not do the job right?--you guys are taking one step forward, and then 6 steps back.

Rocket science-?
Absolutely not.

Another common sense & good judgement issue some folks skip for the sake of a couple of bucks--and if they sourced the fuel line kit from the VC they would get the correct feed line fitting for the firewall included.

Must be something to that thing--
_________________
T.K.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
insyncro
Banned


Joined: March 07, 2002
Posts: 15087
Location: New York
insyncro is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No rubber grommets on the Syncros Wink
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Terry Kay
Banned


Joined: June 22, 2003
Posts: 13331

Terry Kay is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or bulkhead fittings.

Odd fuel tank placement.
_________________
T.K.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Display posts from previous:   
This topic is locked: you cannot edit posts or make replies.    Forum Index -> Vanagon All times are Mountain Standard Time/Pacific Daylight Savings Time
Page: 1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Page 1 of 4

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

About | Help! | Advertise | Donate | Premium Membership | Privacy/Terms of Use | Contact Us | Site Map
Copyright © 1996-2020, Everett Barnes. All Rights Reserved.
Not affiliated with or sponsored by Volkswagen of America | Forum powered by phpBB