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Terry Kay Banned
Joined: June 22, 2003 Posts: 13331
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know who is supposed to be wondering here, but I do know that grove was a deep one--forget it--your digging a big hole you won't be able to seal--& JB weld is NOT a good wear surface for any seal.
Where do you guys come up with this stuff?
The Krakow school of Engineering?
I think this process for a real shallow grove might work--
However, in this case the grove was too deep in that hub to expect the seal to seal after it was spun outa there & clean.
JB Weld--Common'---
I can't believe this actually was printed--Live.
What the heck is wrong with a simple wear ring, which is at the most a 2 minute resurfacing job?
I'd say this was an honerable effort, But--until you figure out how much you took off of that wear surface--and to get a seal to fit properly , you were just playing around polishing out that gaff mark & making dead batteries on that drill.
It's the blind agreeing with Jose Feliciano on this one-- _________________ T.K. |
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James 93SLC Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2009 Posts: 937 Location: NE Ohio
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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Terry Kay wrote: |
I don't know who is supposed to be wondering here, but I do know that grove was a deep one--forget it--your digging a big hole you won't be able to seal |
That picture wasn't the original posters flywheel. His was not that bad.
Caption above the picture:
"Sorry - I forgot to take a "before" picture, but if you've been there, you know what I mean...
(Mine wasn't this bad, but here's an example from the gallery...with credit to deprivation...): " _________________ -------------------------
91 Vanagon Carat
93 Corrado SLC
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Photos: http://picasaweb.google.com/slc.corrado
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tencentlife "Sometimes a pooka is a problem and sometimes it's just a pooka" |
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Christopher Schimke Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2005 Posts: 5392 Location: PNW
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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As they say, necessity is the mother of invention. Nice job! _________________ "Sometimes you have to build a box to think outside of." - Bruce (not Springsteen)
*Custom wheel hardware for Audi/VW, Porsche and Mercedes wheels - Urethane Suspension Bushings*
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dobryan Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2006 Posts: 16508 Location: Brookeville, MD
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Terry Kay wrote: |
I don't know who is supposed to be wondering here, but I do know that grove was a deep one--
It's the blind agreeing with Jose Feliciano on this one-- |
dhaavers wrote: |
In my last pic you can see just the slightest indication of where the groove used to be.
It wasn't deep enough to catch a fingernail, but you could feel it.
It was probably a couple thousandths, no more.
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TK, You need to read better man..... _________________ Dave O
'87 Westy w/ 2002 Subaru EJ25 and Peloquin TBD
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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=620646
Building a bus for travel in Europe (euroBus)
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=695371
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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=746794 |
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dhaavers Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2010 Posts: 7757 Location: NE MN (tinyurl.com/dhaaverslocation)
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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^^^ x2...
Lets just say, with Loogy, 10c & others on my side I feel
pretty comfortable right now.
FYI, I called GW today...they are expediting my new FW o-ring
& I should be putting this all back together this weekend.
Updates from the road will be forthcoming... _________________ 86 White Wolfsburg Westy Weekender
"The WonderVan"
<EDITED TO PROTECT INNOCENT PIXELS> |
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tencentlife Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2006 Posts: 10078 Location: Abiquiu, NM, USA
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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Lets just say, with Loogy, 10c & others on my side... |
I got 40 engines on your side. _________________ Shop for unique Vanagon accessories at the Vanistan shop:
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Please don't PM here, I will not reply.
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Terry Kay Banned
Joined: June 22, 2003 Posts: 13331
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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I wasn't digging any holes here you guys.
Just saying---
If you had a Micrometer in the picture with some sound "before" and then "after" figures--I'd have to say Rube Goldberg doesn't have anything on you guys on turning apparatus---
However, seeing as your not in with & along a Smokey Yunik,Fireball Roberts, or Dyno Don Nickelson's eye balling machinest capacity, I am pretty confident your going to have some post nasal drip on that seal.
You took some off--what's going to take up the slack in the clearance?
The stock seal??
Next Episode's;
"How to DIY crank journel's with a Dremel Tool."
"How to DYI front rotors rear drums with nothing more than a 4.5" Milwaukee grinder, and a potter's wheel.
"How to DIY valves & seats with a 8" bench, & die grinder, & a vice"
I can see this stuff on the way---plus;
"No measuring devices required"
"Eye ball it & hope for the best"---
Amen.
I did not see the quote that was just a representative photo only--
I was overcome by the tenacity of the act---
Big Kahuna's,Gulluinnes,Gonads.
Dime--I wouldn't let on to all of your secrets----- that your boring bar is a La Machine with emery paper on the blades.
you can hold onto that as a trade secret. _________________ T.K.
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PocketRocket Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2005 Posts: 52 Location: Walla Walla,Washington
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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Terry Shut the _uck UP!!!!!! |
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Terry Kay Banned
Joined: June 22, 2003 Posts: 13331
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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You know Bob? _________________ T.K. |
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RicoS Samba Member
Joined: December 02, 2006 Posts: 583
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:36 pm Post subject: Re: DIY flywheel hub refinishing... |
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dhaavers wrote: |
Sorry - I forgot to take a "before" picture, but if you've been there, you know what I mean...
(Mine wasn't this bad, but here's an example from the gallery...with credit to deprivation...):
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If this wasn't your flywheel, then why the hell show it? There's the real risk that one of the Great Unwashed is going to think that this hunky-fucked approach to polishing the seal surface is going to be able to buff out a groove similar to the one in the photo.
Look, overhanging 15 lbs. of flywheel on a 1/4 inch shank chucked into a battery-powered drill is not the way to go. The poster's claim that he removed a couple thousands of material is dubious at best. Even with a workpiece solidly mounted in a lathe, it takes some real pressure to file in a 1/2 thousand so I doubt that this shoe shine job did much more than polish off some built-up varnish. If somehow he did manage to remove that much meat with this method, he also ruined the flywheel
There's no need for this "craftsmanship of risk" approach - if you have a grooved seal surface, take it to an auto machinist and then pull out your Chicago Rawhide catalog to make sure you can get an oversized seal to fit or else tell the machinist to press on a Redi-Sleeve.
Richie
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RicoS Samba Member
Joined: December 02, 2006 Posts: 583
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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PocketRocket wrote: |
Terry Shut the _uck UP!!!!!! |
Hey Rocko, my man, this is a FORUM - you can find out what that means here: http://www.ahdictionary.com
Richie |
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dhaavers Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2010 Posts: 7757 Location: NE MN (tinyurl.com/dhaaverslocation)
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:58 am Post subject: |
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Sorry for the trouble, boys - I'll edit out the photo if it'll get you off each others backs.
I just put it up as a reference for the other flywheel noobs out there (like me).
If I can, I'll replace it with more specific specifics - but like I said, I didn't get a picture
and I don't own a micro-anything, other than a set of feeler gauges and a good sense
of what I can and cannot do. From 10c's description, I decided this is something I can do.
Bottom line, TK: 10c HAS posted on this process a number of times over the years.
Nothing hidden, no secrets...a piece of advice; a suggestion.
I just picked it up & ran with it., so forgive me (but thanks for mentioning my cojones).
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BOTTOM bottom line - how's my flywheel look? Can you tell it's missing 0.002?
Time to lock this thread...??? Too bad, because I thought it might help someone else someday.
_________________ 86 White Wolfsburg Westy Weekender
"The WonderVan"
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12115 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:52 am Post subject: |
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You did great. Ignore the pointless chatter _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik? |
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tencentlife Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2006 Posts: 10078 Location: Abiquiu, NM, USA
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:07 am Post subject: |
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Trolls will be trolls, you can't claim they don't come by their loathsomeness honestly. _________________ Shop for unique Vanagon accessories at the Vanistan shop:
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Please don't PM here, I will not reply.
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T3 Pilot Samba Member
Joined: January 10, 2011 Posts: 1507 Location: Deep South of the Great White North
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:12 am Post subject: |
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I'm going to do mine on my wife's pottery wheel when she is away next week.... _________________ 1988 Vanagon
The most important part in every vehicle is the nut behind the wheel...... |
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Terry Kay Banned
Joined: June 22, 2003 Posts: 13331
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:33 am Post subject: |
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If being a Troll equates to doing the job right ---so be it, and the title taken with a deep bow.
I have never seen heard, or experience a group of folks who seem to be in a tailspin most of their lives on a mission to hack up and complicate a relativly simple task.
I can see just polishing the hub up--but resizing it without getting some measurements first?
No way.
And if the Dime is a proponent and instigator of this plumber's taped down drill lathe techinque--Well---this just sez a bunch to me how he is the allegid Master of engine builder's.
Shoe maker--Maybe---
And all for the sake of the price of a wear ring and the proper seal installed.
I can't imagine being that destitude over a 30 buck part.
You gotta be kidding me.
If ths was an easy task to replace the seal a couple of times once it got chewed up & leaked, I'd say go for it.
But it sure isn't, and I sure don't know why in the hell you guys choose to take the low road again, & again.
Cob away Vanagon Tribe.
Cutting that hub on the pottery wheel is great idea--plenty of pumice attached & slung on it to it to use to burnish it all up nice & shiney once you've taken too much off. _________________ T.K.
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Christopher Schimke Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:47 am Post subject: |
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"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain." _________________ "Sometimes you have to build a box to think outside of." - Bruce (not Springsteen)
*Custom wheel hardware for Audi/VW, Porsche and Mercedes wheels - Urethane Suspension Bushings*
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dhaavers Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2010 Posts: 7757 Location: NE MN (tinyurl.com/dhaaverslocation)
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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Syncro Pilot wrote: |
I'm going to do mine on my wife's pottery wheel when she is away next week.... |
I'll be along to help, but WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T POST ABOUT IT HERE!
_________________ 86 White Wolfsburg Westy Weekender
"The WonderVan"
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Terry Kay Banned
Joined: June 22, 2003 Posts: 13331
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:45 am Post subject: |
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No, I wouldn't either.
Perhaps a new addition to the Sticky Arena should be added;
Hacks, Mondo Canne' non approved by VW or anybody repair's, and other Farm Fresh Repair Technique's.
Short cuts to Hell method's, & madness.
How to fix your Van, & have more headaches---
Should be a real interesting posting area. _________________ T.K. |
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wynnep Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2006 Posts: 174 Location: Winston Salem, NC
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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Way to go T.K. Thought you had mellowed out over the past few months. Your messages have been mild and informative. Glad the old T.K. is back with a lot of good information, sarcasm, and ribbing of others. I hope everybody understands that you are just being you and you mean no harm to others. You just have a different way of presenting information for the good of all. I enjoy your rants and raves. Keep up the good work. |
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