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grandpa pete Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:33 pm Post subject: "homemade" tools??...photo results FAQ |
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My VW mechanic friend is away on vacation and I want to help someone replace a rear main seal saturday.I don't have my own flywheel lock or the seal install tool that looks like a large flat washer with a nut through it .. ..The local Tampa "Buggy " store is out of stock and ordering them will take too long. ..sssoooooo i figured one of you has figured out cleaver alternatives... ...SUGGESTIONS ANYONE... .........what have you used ??? thks _________________ 63 two fold rag
66 sedan delivery Type 6
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djspn Samba Member
Joined: May 01, 2005 Posts: 453 Location: Tracy, MN; Prairie Farm, WI; Saipan
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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If you or friend have access to an Idiot's Guide.........Muir has ideas in the Engine Overhaul chapter, pgs 266 and 299 in my copy. |
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Brionp Samba Member
Joined: March 18, 2009 Posts: 457
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:09 pm Post subject: Flywheel Lock |
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I went to Google Images and googled VW Flywheel lock. I thought this one was pretty clever. Good Luck.
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Green70 Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2012 Posts: 186 Location: Out in the Garage
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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I ground the rivets off of an old pressure plate and welded an old t- shaped piece of grarage door track onto it. I bolt it to the flywheel like normal and use it to leverage off the ground. It helps if you have a deep 36mm and a buddy to help hold the engine.
I think you can use a block of wood and a mallet with decent results |
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babysnakes Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2008 Posts: 7106
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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Pete, I used a PVC sleeve to install the final drive seals in my '72. See if you can find one that is close in size to the main seal.
BTW, I finished cutting out those pillars for you. |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51121 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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No pics but I used to have one made out of a ~1.5" length of ~1.5" heavy wall waterpipe sawn in 1/2 lengthwise and welded to a length of 1/2" pipe for the bolt, the sawn off edges of the pipe 1/2 engaged the flywheel teeth.
That reminds me,....................who borrowed that?.........................Hmmmmmmmmmmmm............................ _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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louis-123 Samba Member
Joined: March 21, 2004 Posts: 438 Location: Montréal, Québec!
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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my friend shown my to use an old metal bed frame to lock the flywheel.. |
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Desertbusman Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2005 Posts: 14655 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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Pete- Get creative Not all of us use those yellow engine elevator things. Bet you don't even have a bunch of concrete blocks laying around.
With your pressure plate removed so that you can get to the gland nut the bolt holes in the flywheel are accessable. So grab a couple bolts and a heavy long steel bar. turn the flywheel and bolts against the bar so it won't rotate. I'd recommend a long bar at least 4 ft long and preferable longer. I have a flywheel lock but that doesn't solve the problem since when you use your big wrench and 36mm socket the engine will flop all over the place. It won't just sit there while you apply 400 or more pounds of torque to break the gland nut loose. The long bar on the flywheel solves that.
For the seal driver go to Home Depot and grab a PVC pipe coupler or anything else that matches the dia. you need. You're a do-it-yourselfer-home-maintenance guy so you probably already have a suitable fitting in your stash pile.
I use sealant on the outside of the seal/inside of case opening. Also around the Oring area. Be sure and oil the seal I.D.
Most of us intentially crank the gland nut tighter than spec torque. Your socket, breaker arm, long pipe, tape measure, and knowing your current weight will get it exact. _________________ 71 Superbug
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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for a flywheel lock use a wrench like shown but use spare grade 5 or grade 8 bolts. Don't sue the captured nut. Keep the wrench close to the case so the force doesn't bend the bolts or crack a flange. I'd send you a lock but it would not make it by Saturday.
For the seal for years I used a ballpeen hammer on the flat end tapping it just a little at a time and going round and round. I have been known to use a block of oak to spread the love taps from the hammer but don't hit it too hard or the spring inside the seal will pop out. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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Desertbusman Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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Using the wrench as shown does lock the flywheel to the case but doesn't do anything to secure the engine from turning cartwheels when you put the big wrench on the gland nut. So the wrench as shown really doesn't do anything. You want to lock the flywheel to the floor and not to the case.
The flywheel lock is great for R & R'ing the pressure plate. _________________ 71 Superbug
71 Westy
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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foot long 4x4 or 4 x 6 under one head while I put one foot on the other side with a wrench like that or a flywheel lock always worked for me. Setting end play was always one of the last things I did to the long block. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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Desertbusman Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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I only do it to a long block also but I don't want to be trying to hold the engine from flopping around while I'm doing the big wrench. Maybe you're a lot heavier than I am. _________________ 71 Superbug
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tristessa Samba Member
Joined: April 07, 2004 Posts: 3992 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Desertbusman wrote: |
Using the wrench as shown does lock the flywheel to the case but doesn't do anything to secure the engine from turning cartwheels when you put the big wrench on the gland nut. So the wrench as shown really doesn't do anything. |
That picture from BrokeVW is a Rabbit engine, not as much torque as a T1 gland nut The wrench trick would probably work on a T4 or WBX engine, but I'd be concerned about bending the bolt/stud -- the bolt in Broke's picture is a 12mm threaded into iron, the flat-4 "only" uses 10mm and through/into aluminum or magnesium. |
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Desertbusman Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't do it that way either on a T'1. _________________ 71 Superbug
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grandpa pete Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2008 Posts: 6426 Location: St. Petersburg, FL
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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busdady; Great idea !!! I can weld that up tomorrow
DBM;Thanks , I'm off to the plumbing store tomorrow
Baby snakes; will get peices at Bullie Brigade. Maby we can have a small Bay Window protest meeting off in a corner if I can get Mr. Unpopular and some of the others to bring Bays to Bullie ( It's about time they moved into the twentieth century ) _________________ 63 two fold rag
66 sedan delivery Type 6
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Green70 Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2012 Posts: 186 Location: Out in the Garage
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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I had the engine flops once when I was flying solo. I negotiated the long lock under the rear of my truck's receiver hitch and started cranking. The engine flopped up, into the bottom of my truck and 'POP', it was loose and I was tired. it is possible to do without the helper bar, but it makes it soooo much easier |
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regalasr Samba Member
Joined: August 25, 2002 Posts: 743 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:39 am Post subject: |
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I saw some clever ideas to lock the flywheel on U Tube. Bet there are some ideas for removing the rear main seal as well. |
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telford dorr Samba Member
Joined: March 11, 2009 Posts: 3551 Location: San Diego (Encinitas)
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:26 am Post subject: |
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I use a 4 foot length of 1-1/2" angle iron, with 2 holes drilled at one end to bolt up to the flywheel (widest spacing possible). The angle iron rotates with the flywheel until the free end contacts the floor. No tendency for the engine itself to rotate when tightening / loosening the gland nut.
I painted the angle iron bright blue as a reminder that it's a tool, not fabrication stock. _________________ '71 panel, now with FI
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Desertbusman Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2005 Posts: 14655 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:27 am Post subject: |
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That's pretty much similar to mine. Except yours is blue. Of the various methods it's gotta' be about the most functional and handy. _________________ 71 Superbug
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grandpa pete Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2008 Posts: 6426 Location: St. Petersburg, FL
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:31 pm Post subject: Flywheel lock Main seal driver |
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Two peices of pipe and 1 hour..1/2 inch nipple and 1 1/2 inch nipple
Not pretty but it works...remember to grind off galvanising before welding
Plumbing fitting to tap in seal..1 1/2 to 3 inch adapter
Thanks to all who contributed _________________ 63 two fold rag
66 sedan delivery Type 6
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