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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Getting the 1986 "Westy" back into shape! Reply with quote

Oh, so confusing!

I thing I'll call and see what the story is.

This page clearly says the 331 fits my tires........

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Getting the 1986 "Westy" back into shape! Reply with quote

Friehofer was pretty excited last night!
That darn Prius was kicked out of the garage and had to sleep in the cold rainy night!
Friehifer slept in the warm dry garage.......


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Heh heh........ little did Friehofer know that he was scheduled for morning surgery!
Come day break he was put under and his Auto Trans Valve Body was removed and replaced with a new German Porsche unit!

When I removed the Valve Body the Accumulator fell out and fit poorly in the bore. The rubber seal was dry and hard.
These seals are NLA except in an after market seal kit.

A quick trip to my local "Mom and Pop" transmission shop provided me with a brand new Accumulator seal!
It was out of an opened kit, he said "just take it" !!!
I did have my F150 4x4 trans rebuilt there about a year ago, I guess I already paid for the seal?

What a better fit!

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The new Valve Body was a perfect fit, even had the same casting numbers on it.....

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Here is the accumulator sitting on the old valve body.....

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Does it work better? I'm not sure, I only drove far enough to warm up the trans fluid so I could fill it accurately.

Time will tell.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Getting the 1986 "Westy" back into shape! Reply with quote

Just decided to feed my lifelong addiction to VW vans & buy an 85 Westy - after a 12 year hiatus! Spent my Saturday eve watching the Michgan / Penn State game and reading your story. So great to see the van saved and to see you enjoying it with your family. Learned a lot from your skills & can't wait to get our van in 'cross country' shape!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Getting the 1986 "Westy" back into shape! Reply with quote

Dave it does
not matter what the chart says. Those chains do not fit toghtly. Imagine what they will do at any speed.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Getting the 1986 "Westy" back into shape! Reply with quote

I've been battling ATF leaks for a L O N G time!

I had messes like this but usually less.

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While Changing the Valve Body I discovered my oil cooler leaking at the lower banjo bolt.

The seals were dry and hard.

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I put in the new green ones and my gushing leak has been reduced to a mere drip. (For my transmission this is close to bone dry!)

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Getting the 1986 "Westy" back into shape! Reply with quote

SWEET!

A <relatively> dry garage floor is a <relatively> happy garage floor!

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:17 am    Post subject: Re: Getting the 1986 "Westy" back into shape! Reply with quote

djkeev wrote:
NOTE: Sadly there were time periods that I couldn't upload photos to thesamba or they were not VW specific. I used Photobucket which has recently prevented 3rd party hosting of photos. (July 2017)
I'll try to fill in the missing images using another host site as time allows..... so sorry.


Well, I guess it's time to make a build thread for my recently acquired 1986 Vanagon Westfalia "Weekender".
There are a few rogue threads asking specific questions about this car but parts are ordered, time to get this Puppy on the road!

The facts:
Model Year: 1986
Partial build date: 5/86
Final build date: 7/86
WV2XB0252GH112***

W - Germany
V - Volkswagen
2 - Multi Purpose Vehicle MPV
X - Kombi
B - 4 cylinder gasoline, water cooled
0 - passive restraint, seat belts
25 - Vanagon
2 - Manufacturer Check Digit
G - Model Year (1986)
H - Hannover (Assembly Plant)
112xxx. Sequencial Production Number

Color:
Sales Code: S8S8
Paint Code: LH1V
Paint Name: Savannah Beige Metallic
Pop Top color: Desert Beige (no code)
Interior: Beige Corduroy Seat Covers and door panel inserts
Brown Dash with Brown accents for plastic levers and knobs
Beige Vinyl Door Covers
Pebbled Beige Ceiling and similar on Floor.
White/Beige storage cabinet in LR window.
Beige/Tan Pop Top tent fabric.
Mileage: 116,171
Factory Full Wheel Covers on Steel Wheels
Transmission: Automatic 3 Speed
Engine: 2.1 Water Boxer MV015458
Power Steering
Factory Air Conditioning
Standard Instruments, just clock, no tach
Added VDO cockpit series gauges

Coming Home....
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Home being "inspected" by the family......
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Getting the 1986 "Westy" back into shape! Reply with quote

Battery under the back seat... I saw it in your pictures, but couldnt find a build for it. Did I miss it? In all the work you did and documented - I am really interested in how you got your battery under the back seat. Thanks for any information you can provide. Thanks Dave for documenting all you have.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Getting the 1986 "Westy" back into shape! Reply with quote

erikgundy98 wrote:
Battery under the back seat... I saw it in your pictures, but couldnt find a build for it. Did I miss it? In your 38 pages.... Smile


I think in the overwhelming amount of work that I did, this system wasn't well documented.

Here is info about my battery box choice.
I am running two 6 volt lead acid flooded golf cart batteries under the back seat. After this photo I ordered the larger battery box.

djkeev wrote:
IdahoDoug wrote:
How much of an issue is there to having a wet battery under the rear seat which is not vented? Since I use my tintop for camping once in a while, on those trips I put one under the rear seat and have a thick carpet-like material I've made a cover out of to prevent shorting, etc. But I have not provided for venting. Since the factory battery is under the passenger seat and vents into the interior, I never gave it a thought. But just curious with two batteries - any issues anyone can think of?



Many cars are running around today with batteries in the passenger compartment.
Mercedes, Audi's, VW's, Mazda's, etc.
Some of these are vented and some are not. They might have been originally but today? Not so much with owner "improvements" implemented.

I am putting my house batteries, two Flooded Wet Cell 6volt Golf Cart batteries, under my bench seat. I am not venting but I could.
I am however putting the batteries and connections into an acid proof plastic battery box.
I've been around for many decades and have seen the residual damage of battery gases, paint removed, metal rusted clean through, paper dissolved, fabric burned through, etc.
I Desire to protect the contents of the storage under the bench from direct contact with the batteries........ And indirect protection from the gases. My feelings are that the battery case has a thin film of acid on them from mild outgassing once encountering the cooler air condensing around the vents and settling on the battery case.

These boxes are a heavy plastic, They are a tad higher than the under seat area so I shorten them by running them through the table saw taking off the top inch. The top ends up setting on the highest rib around the box. Lifting the lid gives quick easy access for checking water levels or connections.

I opted for the long narrow end to end box for the rear bench seat actually dips towards the rear so has less height for the more square battery box. This end to end will snuggle right up against the front of the under seat area.

https://allbatterysalesandservice.com/century-plas...ries-gce-g

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Anyway.... I've no serious clout but.......

One man's opinion...... A very knowledgeable man if I may add......
In this thread, thatvwbusguy discusses the rear bench and flooded battery venting:

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=617754&highlight=vent

"As far as ventilation is concerned, it is very rare that I see a Westfalia with the screws installed in the starting battery lid, and I have never once encountered a single person with a stock Vanagon charging system in good working order claiming any sort of hydrogen off-gassing problem with a battery installed under the rear seat or in one of the cabinets (where my dual Group 27's have lived for the last 5+ years). This is not to say that it couldn't ever possibly happen, just that it is incredibly unlikely unless you are dumping lots of current into a deeply discharged battery, which the stock alternator isn't really capable of doing.

The Vanagon is a pretty big box and most are not exactly hermetically sealed to say the least. I tend to err on the side of caution with most things that are potentially hazardous, but worrying about the potential for hydrogen off-gassing in my van is way down on my list of concerns."

Dave



I ordered the Blue Sea charging control,
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000OTIPDQ/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

the Blue Sea fuse panel
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006VELERM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

And a main feed harness from the starter terminal from Jay Brown.... that VW bus guy.

During my rebuilt I ran wires to multiple cigarette lighters in the vehicle. On the right rear seat arm rest, both sides of the table, up behind the driver on the "B" Pillar, under the passenger seat and into the center console.

I ran extra wires into the dash..... just in case someday......
I ran 120 AC to the back seat, the jump seat and under the passenger seat.
I use the outside power feed for maintaining batteries and I put an electric heater set low for the Winter to keep things dry and the roof snow load at a minimum.

I drew no wiring diagram I'm afraid.

Anyway......
It has worked wonderfully.
The lead acid Golf cart batteries may be old technology but it is time proven technology.

Messy photo but here is the entire rear seat......

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Closer.....

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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2018 2:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Getting the 1986 "Westy" back into shape! Reply with quote

On a trip to Pa. my Right Rear CV's started clicking incessantly!

Not having a needle or grease gun with me, I pulled the axle shaft and repacked the CV's using the tools I carry and packets of CV grease I carry that Lobro had included with their new boots.


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I'll do the left side soon in the comfort of my home garage/shop!
Needed service I put off! Stupid Me!

The ride home will be less stressful than the ride out was!

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Getting the 1986 "Westy" back into shape! Reply with quote

I just picked up two new 6v Golf Cart Batteries for my house system.
While the existing units are great batteries, they are four years old.

I don't want them to fail after the unit leaves my care.

Yes, I'm an old time lead/acid flooded cell fan..........

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Getting the 1986 "Westy" back into shape! Reply with quote

Hi Dave,
I was reading another one of your posts, and you said that you are not sure you would do the jeep mirrors if you had it to do again. I am just curious why? I was thinking I would follow your lead and use your directions to install them on my van. Was it just the amount of labor it took, or is there something you don't like about them now that you are driving with them? I don't like the price of light truck mirrors, and I have heard some people say they whistle. Let me know what you think. Thanks, John
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Getting the 1986 "Westy" back into shape! Reply with quote

They are great mirrors but possibly a tad too close to the driver.

They are FAR superior to the stock mirrors but because of the wing window clearance they are an inch or so too far set towards the driver.

But this is me and how I adjust my seat. If I drove with a greater seat tilt or the seat farther back they would probably be perfect.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy with them but if I had a "do over" card............

If you want to take a ride to Jersey in the next three months and try them, let me know.

It is also an invasive mod not easily reversed....... I lean towards non invasive mods........

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2018 2:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Getting the 1986 "Westy" back into shape! Reply with quote

Clock is ticking down, a little faster everyday until my Van goes off to Oregon.

It already is wearing Oregon plates.

I've got a list of things that I want to service/renew before it leaves.

Today I began the task.

All of the batteries are pushing four years old so as a preventative measure I installed a new starter battery and two new 6v deep cycles for the house system.

I had also run some additional wires but never finished them. One of the wires was to feed a 120v outlet under the RF seat to power a battery maintainer whenever the Van is plugged in. I've been doing it till now by having the charger sitting on the floor but now it is tucked safely under the seat.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2018 2:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Getting the 1986 "Westy" back into shape! Reply with quote

D@mn, I wish you were MY PO... Laughing Laughing Laughing

Seriously, Dave...you do great work & obviously care deeply about the result
of your efforts. We should all aspire to the same level of awesomeness!

Cool

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 6:05 am    Post subject: Re: Getting the 1986 "Westy" back into shape! Reply with quote

Great build thread! Expertly documented and your work is top notch. Thanks for posting. Great section on repairing seam rust. I enjoyed the entire thread.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:46 am    Post subject: Re: Getting the 1986 "Westy" back into shape! Reply with quote

My Van technically isn't mine any longer so I haven't used it much.
An old camper always generates interest and conversation but an older camper in NJ/Pennsylvania sporting Oregon Plates generates a much bigger interest.

I've found it easiest to play along...... "Yes, I drove this from Oregon (I really did several times) and I lived in my their town in Oregon for many years so I know the area well.

We ended up bringing the Van to Pennsylvania yesterday after my Prius got fed some bad gas. They don't handle that well!

The unit ran well and it was fun to drive again but we were frustrated that the A/C didn't cool at all! It wasn't THAT hot so we had an nice "old school" ride with the windows open.
I was as frustrated as could be that my rebuilt A/C quit working!!!

We got to the house and unloaded. We needed dinner so I jumped in and ran down the mountain to hunt and gather food.

It was raining HARD (turns out 2 1/2" in a little over an hour) and the winding road down along a creek turned into the creek too!!
I was really glad I brought the Van for the Prius would have simply floated away! Areas were about 8-10" deep.
I was cautious and watched other. Braver souls in their 4x4's go first in the deepest areas. They did fine and the road seemed to be intact so I bravely (stupidly?) proceeded forth. All was well and right after I went through, they closed the road. It actually was fun, like driving up a fast moving creek, I could see the pavement for most of the journey through the water. Just a two spots were cause for concern, but like I said, others were fine......

Anyway, the A/C problem?
Fixed that!!!
It was a simple Old Fart moment.... you rotate the temperature knob RIGHT to cool...... Not LEFT Embarassed sometimes I really am as stupid as I may appear to be.!
After setting the knob properly I froze my butt off getting dinner!

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:43 am    Post subject: Re: Getting the 1986 "Westy" back into shape! Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Getting the 1986 "Westy" back into shape! Reply with quote

Doing some pre-trip service.

The typical items plus it has been almost 30,000 miles so I'm pulling front wheel bearings and repacking them.

The Right side was as expected, aging grease going black with wear and time.

The Left side?
Different story!

My grease is red when new, this grease looked like brownish mud!

About a month ago and only about 120 miles ago I was out at the house in Pennsylvania and the skies opened up in a torrential Biblical proportion rainfall...... 4 inches in an hour on top of already saturated ground.

I had gone down the Mountain to forage for food and the ride home was literally up a river.
Mostly shallow but a few spots quite deep.

Keeping in mind "turn around, don't drown" I watched other vehicles brave the deeper spots. No washouts, the road was intact so I did likewise.

I thought nothing of it until tonight!

The speedo cable must have allowed water entry into the left hub.

I will evaluate in the light of day to reuse or replace. I most often err on the side of caution........

I'll also be inspecting the rear wheel bearings!

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The worst of the flooding, a photo that made the local news.......
The creek is about 6' below this briddge......

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Getting the 1986 "Westy" back into shape! Reply with quote

Replace the bearings- been there with Off-Roading, done that in much deeper water.... Very Happy
Older Land Rovers aren’t much better, they had a loose fitting rubber cap over the ends of the front full floating axle . No trouble at all for water to sneak past the cap and into the splines of the stub axle.
My “92 Montero had sealed end caps that held back water much better on its front wheel bearings.... .
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'67 Type 3 Fastback, my 2nd car- gone
'69 Semi-Auto Stick Shift Beetle-gone
2017 MINI Coopers, our current DDs
‘84 Tin Top - Hilga....Auto
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